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Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

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On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 06:28:36PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:20:33PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:09:40AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > >On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 09:38:56PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > >>...
> > >> We *entirely* have the freedom to discriminate based on
> > >> what people say and do around us. We're not a government. We are *not*
> > >> in the situation where we *have* to support people saying things that we
> > >> believe to be bad, wrong and hurtful. It is *entirely* within our
> > >> rights to evaluate people by their words and actions and to decide
> > >> whether we wish to talk or work with them in future.
> > >>...

> > >You are saying companies should always have the right to fire employees 
> > >if they join an union.

> > Not at all, please don't twist my words.

> > Unfortunately, there *are* many places around the world where
> > companies can do exactly that. There are many others where rights like
> > this are enshrined in other laws. Debian is not an employer here, so I
> > don't think your point is relevant?

> I would hardly call it twisting your words.

> Either private individuals and entities have freedom of association, or
> they do not.  You can't have it both ways.

Freedom of association means the freedom to associate with who you chose to
and the freedom to *not associate with people you don't*.  It is an
infringement of the freedom of association of all other Debian developers if
we are not able to exclude someone based on the views they express and the
actions they take.

Labor rights are entirely different from "freedom of association".

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                   https://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2021-03-24 12:50 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-24 13:40 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 17:50 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2021-03-24 20:30 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2021-03-25 21:40 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-25 22:40 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-25 23:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:30 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:40 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:00 +0100
                Why does Debian Care about the FSF Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:20 +0100
                Re: Why does Debian Care about the FSF Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 09:30 +0100
                Re: Why does Debian Care about the FSF Simon Avery <digdilem@gmail.com> - 2021-03-26 23:10 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:40 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2021-03-26 01:30 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-25 23:50 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:40 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-03-27 11:20 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2021-03-26 10:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 11:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 17:00 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:40 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Philip Rinn <rinni@inventati.org> - 2021-03-26 00:20 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> - 2021-03-31 00:40 +0200
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-31 01:00 +0200
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-04-01 01:20 +0200
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-01 11:00 +0200
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 03:10 +0200
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 03:50 +0200
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 21:00 +0200
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 14:10 +0200
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 03:30 +0200
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Zlatan Todoric <zlatan@riseup.net> - 2021-04-03 10:30 +0200
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-04-03 14:10 +0200
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Milan Zamazal <pdm@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 15:50 +0200
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 17:40 +0200
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-24 13:40 +0100

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