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Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

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Hey what's up doc,

On 2021-03-25 00:41:41, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting M dB (2021-03-24 23:55:23)
>> A few thoughts:
>> 
>> - I don't like the term "cancel" because I think it doesn't mean much 
>> anymore and is too loaded.
>
> Means too little and too much at the same time?!?
>
> https://www.dictionary.com/e/pop-culture/cancel-culture/ describes it as 
> a form of boycott, calling out, and group shaming.
>
> Wikipedia seems to share that view - what am I missing? Am I in some 
> bubble confirming my views, and other bubbles tell radically different 
> storis about the meaning of the term?
>
>
>> Are we discussing a handful of people leaving volunteer positions? 
>> Yes. Are we discussing ruining their lives? No.
>
> Are we disccussing public boycott and shaming? Yes.
>
> Do public boycott and shaming ruin lives?  Hopefully not, but I wonder 
> how you can so confidently dismiss both the term as being meaningless 
> and the action as being harmless.  Shame on you for not taking 
> responsibility for your action.

Did you just "shame" someone because they supposedly call on "shaming"
someone else? Isn't that a contradiction?

> I get a strong impression that this RMS felow is far from a saint, and 
> encourage that he be properly tried for his alleged wrongdoings.

So basically, what you are proposing is that, instead of suggesting RMS
simply be expelled from a non-profit, all the witnesses and victims of
his crimes should collectively organise for him to be criminally
prosecuted in a court of law in the United States?

How would that not be public shaming?

Anyways, I think the point here is to get seconders, maybe we should
keep those arguments to the vote and move on. I hope I won't regret
outlining the contradictions here.

A.

-- 
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complex.
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Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 23:40 +0100
  Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter M dB <deblanc@riseup.net> - 2021-03-25 00:20 +0100
    Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-25 00:50 +0100
      Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Antoine Beaupré <anarcat@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:30 +0100
        Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-26 14:00 +0100
          Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Luke W Faraone <lfaraone@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 22:40 +0100
            Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2021-03-27 10:10 +0100
              Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-27 10:50 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2021-03-27 11:10 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-03-27 11:10 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2021-03-27 11:20 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2021-03-27 11:30 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-27 13:10 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2021-03-27 18:30 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-27 23:50 +0100
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2021-03-28 08:20 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-28 14:10 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2021-03-28 17:20 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> - 2021-03-28 23:00 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-03-28 20:40 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-28 21:00 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-03-28 23:00 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-29 00:00 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-29 00:40 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Milan Kupcevic <milan@debian.org> - 2021-03-29 01:10 +0200
                Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-29 01:20 +0200
    Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 14:40 +0100
    Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2021-03-26 00:50 +0100

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