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Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

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Hello Sandro,

Sandro Tosi [2021-03-25 12:21 -0400]:
> That scares me. what will happen to the list of people who disagree
> with the ratification of the statement by Debian as a project? The
> people that are so strongly pushing for this (and many other) actions
> will have a list of (in their eyes) good and bad Debian members.

As this is is a highly political, divisive, and personal topic, not a technical
one, I'd really hope that this would be a secret vote, much like the Debian
leader voting?

You bring up a good point here. If this is going to be an open vote, then this
is senseless political power play, and will only kindle the fire.

> And of course "nothing will happen, this is democracy at work", but
> how can *I* be sure of that? how can anybody be sure that there wont
> be anyone going thru decades of emails, twits, etc to find something
> "incriminating" for those people, because they disagree with them? how
> can i feel safe to vote no or FD in this GR?

Exactly -- if this is an open vote, I'm afraid that would merely force a
(possibly) large number of Debian members to not vote at all. Honestly, in that
light I haven't made up my mind yet either what to do..

> Why are you dragging Debian's name into this? We are not a political
> entity, we are (in our own words:
> https://www.debian.org/intro/philosophy) "an association of
> individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating
> system".
> So go ahead, make your individuality be heard, sign (or not sign, it's
> up to YOU!) the open letter as who you are, but please leave Deiban,
> our technical project, outside of this fight.

Exactly -- big +1

Thanks,

Martin

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Willingness to share a position statement? Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org> - 2021-03-24 00:00 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2021-03-24 00:30 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 01:10 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Matthias Klumpp <mak@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 01:30 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-24 08:50 +0100
      Re: Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Akhil Varkey <akhilvarkey@disroot.org> - 2021-03-25 10:20 +0100
      Re: Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Timo Röhling <timo@gaussglocke.de> - 2021-03-25 23:30 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2021-03-24 11:00 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Martina Ferrari <tina@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 00:10 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 08:00 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Harlan Lieberman-Berg <hlieberman@setec.io> - 2021-03-24 01:20 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? M dB <deblanc@riseup.net> - 2021-03-24 01:50 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 23:10 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2021-03-25 09:50 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 17:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Martin Pitt <mpitt@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:30 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:40 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 19:00 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Margarita Manterola <margamanterola@gmail.com> - 2021-03-25 19:20 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-25 19:30 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 19:40 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:10 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana <phls@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:20 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 19:30 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2021-03-25 19:30 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:30 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:50 +0100
              Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 22:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 01:10 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 08:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 09:40 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2021-03-26 11:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 17:00 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-03-25 21:20 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-25 21:40 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Filippo Rusconi <lopippo@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:30 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:10 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? (rms-open-letter) Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 11:50 +0100
        Question to Jonathan: What did you Mean Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 17:00 +0100
          Re: Question to Jonathan: What did you Mean Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:20 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-24 09:10 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2021-03-24 14:10 +0100

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