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Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

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ok i can no longer be silent (and it's in no way referred to Philip,
whose email i'm reply to)

> so that it is very clear that there is room for dissenting opinion, and
> with a link to the vote page so that anyone that is interested can
> easily discover how individuals voted on the issue?

That scares me. what will happen to the list of people who disagree
with the ratification of the statement by Debian as a project? The
people that are so strongly pushing for this (and many other) actions
will have a list of (in their eyes) good and bad Debian members.

And of course "nothing will happen, this is democracy at work", but
how can *I* be sure of that? how can anybody be sure that there wont
be anyone going thru decades of emails, twits, etc to find something
"incriminating" for those people, because they disagree with them? how
can i feel safe to vote no or FD in this GR?

you are scaring me, you are threatening me, you are making me afraid
of voting, of writing to mailing lists, to publish my ideas due to
fear or repercussions. Is this what you want? Did you notice how few
people have the courage and strength to disagree publicly with you?
with your perennial fight for purity, you're taking my voice away: i
do believe you think what you're doing is the Right Thing, but that
has consequences you're not seeing, because the people who disagree
with you are not "free" anymore to express themselves. you are
establishing a de-facto Thought Police, that has been years in the
making. I'm even afraid i'll get punished with the CoC for this email.

is this what you want for Debian and its fellow members?

During the heights of the Black Lives Matter protests (it's one
example), did you force all your colleagues to sign a petition for
*OR* against demanding your employer to publicly state that Black
Lives Matter? did you do the same with your condo board, tenants
association, borough board, city council etc? how did that go?

Why are you dragging Debian's name into this? We are not a political
entity, we are (in our own words:
https://www.debian.org/intro/philosophy) "an association of
individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating
system".

So go ahead, make your individuality be heard, sign (or not sign, it's
up to YOU!) the open letter as who you are, but please leave Deiban,
our technical project, outside of this fight.

-- 
Sandro "morph" Tosi
My website: http://sandrotosi.me/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi
Twitter: https://twitter.com/sandrotosi

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Willingness to share a position statement? Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org> - 2021-03-24 00:00 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2021-03-24 00:30 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 01:10 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Matthias Klumpp <mak@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 01:30 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-24 08:50 +0100
      Re: Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Akhil Varkey <akhilvarkey@disroot.org> - 2021-03-25 10:20 +0100
      Re: Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Timo Röhling <timo@gaussglocke.de> - 2021-03-25 23:30 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2021-03-24 11:00 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Martina Ferrari <tina@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 00:10 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 08:00 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Harlan Lieberman-Berg <hlieberman@setec.io> - 2021-03-24 01:20 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? M dB <deblanc@riseup.net> - 2021-03-24 01:50 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 23:10 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2021-03-25 09:50 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 17:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Martin Pitt <mpitt@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:30 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:40 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 19:00 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Margarita Manterola <margamanterola@gmail.com> - 2021-03-25 19:20 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-25 19:30 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 19:40 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:10 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana <phls@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:20 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 19:30 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2021-03-25 19:30 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:30 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:50 +0100
              Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 22:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 01:10 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 08:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 09:40 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2021-03-26 11:50 +0100
                Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position  statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 17:00 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-03-25 21:20 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-25 21:40 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Filippo Rusconi <lopippo@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:30 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:10 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? (rms-open-letter) Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 11:50 +0100
        Question to Jonathan: What did you Mean Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 17:00 +0100
          Re: Question to Jonathan: What did you Mean Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:20 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-24 09:10 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2021-03-24 14:10 +0100

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