Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

From	The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
Date	2020-07-31 18:10 +0200
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On 2020-07-31 at 10:58, Reco wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:47:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-07-31 at 08:37, Reco wrote:

>> > It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected.
>> 
>> Can you clarify both A: in what way this is kmail-specific,
> 
> kmail apparently mistakes '-- t' for the MIME-separator.
> 
> The "offending" e-mail actually look like this:
> 
> == cut ==
> 
> -- t
> 
> --gKMricLos+KVdGMg
> Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
> Content-Description: Digital signature
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> 
> == cut ==
> 
> Where "-- t" is a signature and is contained inside of a MIME-part, and
> "--gKMricLos+KVdGMg" is an actual RFC2045-compilant separator.
> 
> 
>> and B: what behaviors you're seeing in respect to mutt that are 
>> relevant here?
> 
> The lack of aforementioned confusion. The signature shows as the
> author intended, gpg validation happens as expected.

That does indeed look like a kmail bug, as you say.

But it's not what I understand the problem being discussed to be.

>> I see failure on my end, with Thunderbird, which is similar to what
>> I understand the problem being complained about to be. It is my 
>> understanding that the problem is rooted in (lack of) compliance
>> with a particular RFC, such that the resulting behavior will be
>> basically universal across all compliant mail clients.
> 
> RFC2045 is a standard, but we all know that certain proprietary MUA
> which deliberately violates almost all standards if it comes to
> e-mail. Apparently both KDE and Mozilla consider more important to be
> compatible with this certain MUA than to follow actual standards
> closely.

As indicated in another mail, I consider the relevant RFC to be RFC3676,
specifically section 4.3. RFC2045 had not entered my scope here, never
mind the proprietary MUA you're probably referring to (which, for all I
know, may not actually respect RFC3676 either - I should probably test
that, actually, next time I have some downtime while on-shift).

The original objector has also said that GPG/PGP has nothing to do with
his objection, so I suspect that this kmail bug is an unrelated side
issue.

For what it may be worth, in defense of Mozilla and the people who
inherited Thunderbird from them, Tomas' mails validate fine in
Thunderbird for me.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

Thread

BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-07-30 13:20 +0200
  Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Andrew Cater <amacater@gmail.com> - 2020-07-30 14:00 +0200
  Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-30 14:10 +0200
    Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-07-30 16:10 +0200
      Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-30 16:20 +0200
      Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-30 17:00 +0200
        Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-30 18:00 +0200
          Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-30 18:20 +0200
            Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-31 08:00 +0200
              Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-31 11:30 +0200
                Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-31 12:00 +0200
                Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-31 13:50 +0200
                Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-07-31 14:40 +0200
                Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-31 14:50 +0200
                Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-07-31 17:00 +0200
                Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-31 18:10 +0200
                Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-31 13:20 +0200
                Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-31 17:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Lisp is back (was: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-07-31 18:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] Lisp is back Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2020-07-31 18:30 +0200
                Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-07-31 21:10 +0200
                Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-31 21:30 +0200
                Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-07-31 21:40 +0200
                Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-07-31 21:30 +0200
                Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-31 21:50 +0200
                Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-07-31 22:00 +0200
              Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-31 12:00 +0200
              Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-31 12:00 +0200
                Signature not working rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-31 13:20 +0200
                Re: Signature not working rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-31 13:30 +0200
                Re: Signature not working The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-31 13:30 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-31 13:40 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-07-31 15:00 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-31 16:00 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-31 17:10 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-07-31 17:40 +0200
                Re: Signature not working The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-31 18:10 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-07-31 19:00 +0200
                Re: Signature not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-31 17:40 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-07-31 18:00 +0200
                Re: Signature not working The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-31 18:10 +0200
                Re: Signature not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-08-01 05:50 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-08-03 06:10 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-07-31 17:10 +0200
                Re: Signature not working Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-07-31 17:30 +0200
  Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2020-07-30 14:10 +0200
  Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-30 16:10 +0200
  Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-07-31 14:00 +0200
    Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-31 15:20 +0200
      Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 16:20 +0200
        Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Andrew Cater <amacater@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 16:40 +0200
          Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 13:10 +0200

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