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Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster

From <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster
Date 2020-07-25 11:40 +0200
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 09:49:04PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 24 iul 20, 17:53:53, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> Aren't those files an internal implementation detail? Most users won't 
> ever need to interact with those files or even be aware of their 
> existence.

Strictly speaking, yes. Sometimes, thinks leak through the abstraction
layer, sometimes they don't.

Some designs seem to take this into account (Serendipity? Sheer luck?
Wisdom? No idea) -- and they just don't break when things happen, but
kind of elegantly flow around the problem, perhaps even acquiring a
new level of beauty and symmetry. Some other just break. Or grow into
ugly monsters.

This is something I've watched at work. Sometimes I build something
for a customer, and (s)he comes back two years later and asks me "could
you...?". Sometimes, I go "uh...". Just sometimes it's "YES!". Then
I realize that I got the design "right" in the first place. Somehow
I succeeded in modeling the customer's unspoken needs correctly.

Yes, somewhat philosophical. Perhaps the problems of old age :)

> This looks to me very much like comparing apples and oranges.

It's both fruit, ain't it? And it's abstractions we delve in, our
very tissue.

> Besides, it's easier to find flaws in the design after the fact then to 
> foresee all possible ramifications in advance.

Yes.

Cheers
-- t

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Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster rhkramer <rhkramer.s32@gmail.com> - 2020-07-22 04:10 +0200
  Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Andrew Cater <amacater@gmail.com> - 2020-07-22 13:10 +0200
    Resolved (without understanding ;-) (was: Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster) rhkramer <rhkramer.s32@gmail.com> - 2020-07-22 20:40 +0200
      Re: Resolved (without understanding ;-) (was: Re: Error while trying  to install openssh-server on Buster) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-22 21:00 +0200
        Re: Resolved (without understanding ;-) (was: Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-22 22:30 +0200
      Re: Resolved (without understanding ; -) (was: Re: Error while trying  to install openssh-server on Buster) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-22 21:30 +0200
        Re: Resolved (without understanding ; -) (was: Re: Error while  trying to install openssh-server on Buster) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-23 10:20 +0200
          Re: Resolved (without understanding ; -) (was: Re: Error while  trying to install openssh-server on Buster) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-24 01:50 +0200
            Re: Resolved (without understanding ; -) (was: Re: Error while  trying to install openssh-server on Buster) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-24 11:00 +0200
              Re: Resolved (without understanding ; -) (was: Re: Error while  trying to install openssh-server on Buster) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-24 11:10 +0200
                Antipatterns and Handcuffs [was: Re: Resolved (without understanding  ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-24 11:30 +0200
  Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-22 13:40 +0200
    Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-07-22 17:30 +0200
      Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-23 12:30 +0200
        slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server  on Buster] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-24 01:20 +0200
          Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-07-24 01:30 +0200
          Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-24 13:50 +0200
            Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-24 14:00 +0200
              Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-24 15:30 +0200
                Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server  on Buster] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-24 15:50 +0200
                Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server  on Buster] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-24 16:00 +0200
                Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-24 16:10 +0200
                Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-24 16:00 +0200
                Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-07-24 16:00 +0200
                Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-24 16:00 +0200
                Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install  openssh-server on Buster] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-24 16:10 +0200
            Re: slashes in filenames [was Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server  on Buster] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-24 14:00 +0200
        Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-07-24 16:10 +0200
          Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-24 16:20 +0200
            Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-24 18:00 +0200
              Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-24 20:50 +0200
                Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-24 21:20 +0200
                Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-25 11:40 +0200
    Re: Error while trying to install openssh-server on Buster Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-07-22 20:50 +0200

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