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| From | Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu |
| Date | 2020-09-10 19:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ANyI9-1oS-5@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On 10.09.20 18:43, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 08:24:41 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 09/10/2020 02:28 AM, Marco Möller wrote:
>>> On 10.09.20 08:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> On 09/09/2020 12:12 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>> On Wed 09 Sep 2020 at 19:56:05 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>>>>> On Mi, 09 sep 20, 08:27:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Download bandwidth or data cap constraints.
>>>>>>> {aggravated by treating "recommends" as "depends"}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are referring to package maintainers declaring Depends on other
>>>>>> packages where it should be just a Recommends, do note it is often a
>>>>>> side effect of users disabling automatic installation of Recommends and
>>>>>> then complaining about missing functionality.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the OP is referring to debootstrap's inability to install only
>>>>> Depends:.
>>>>
>>>> No. Apt and cousins allow not installing recommends. There was
>>>> a recent thread where someone stated that option not available
>>>> when installing the system. More when I wake up.
>>>>
>>> Maybe make a minimum install first, then change the global apt
>>> configuration to always apply "--no-install-recommends" as the
>>> predefined parameter if no other flag would be added by the user
>>> to the apt command, and only afterwards enrich your installation
>>> by installing the packages which you need.
>>
>> *ROFL* with MASSIVE *GRIN* ;/
>>
>> In my original post I had phrased that as:>> My proposed alternative
>> is to leave unchecked all options on the
>>>> "Software Selection" menu and create appropriate pseudo-packages
>>>> to be installed with "apt-get --no-install-recommends"
>
> I take it you agree, ten.
>
>>> You could call "tasksel" again, if you want to use the software
>>> bundle selection menu which you have seen during the initial
>>> installation.
>>
>> I don't follow what you are trying to say there.
>
> In words of several syllables, you could call "tasksel" again:
>
> $ tasksel --list-tasks
> u desktop Debian desktop environment
> u gnome-desktop GNOME
> u xfce-desktop Xfce
> u kde-desktop KDE Plasma
> u cinnamon-desktop Cinnamon
> u mate-desktop MATE
> u lxde-desktop LXDE
> u lxqt-desktop LXQt
> u web-server web server
> i print-server print server
> i ssh-server SSH server
> u laptop laptop
> $
>
> … if you want to use the software bundle selection menu
> (which you have seen during the initial installation):
>
> ┌───────────────────────────┤ [!] Software selection ├────────────────────────────┐
> │ │
> │ At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the system │
> │ to your needs, you can choose to install one or more of the following │
> │ predefined collections of software. │
> │ │
> │ Choose software to install: │
> │ │
> │ [ ] Debian desktop environment │
> │ [ ] ... GNOME │
> │ [ ] ... Xfce │
> │ [ ] ... KDE │
> │ [ ] ... Cinnamon │
> │ [ ] ... MATE │
> │ [ ] ... LXDE │
> │ [ ] web server │
> │ [*] print server │
> │ [*] SSH server │
> │ [*] standard system utilities │
> │ │
> │ <Continue> │
> │ │
> └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
>
> So I might call tasksel to install a web server if I forgot to check
> it when I ran the installer.
>
>>> You should remind, that if in the tasksel menu deselecting all
>>> specifically named Desktop Environments (Gnome, Xfce, KDE, ...)
>>> but still selecting the top entry "Debian desktop environment"
>>> then a full blown Gnome environment will be downloaded and
>>> installed.
>>
>> I discovered that long ago. I consider that a bug, but the Debian team
>> likely considers that a feature.
>
> So what would your version of an installer do when presented with:
>
> │ [*] Debian desktop environment │
> │ [ ] ... GNOME │
> │ [ ] ... Xfce │
> │ [ ] ... KDE │
> │ [ ] ... Cinnamon │
> │ [ ] ... MATE │
> │ [ ] ... LXDE │
>
>>> You could also look out for package bundles with the name prefix
>>> "task-". For instance "apt search task- | grep mate" will show you
>>> that a bundle package "task-mate-desktop" exists. "apt show
>>> task-mate-desktop" will show you the list of packages which this
>>> bundle package will draw in. Among the listed packages there might
>>> appear other bundles, therefore iterate with "apt show" through
>>> the listed package names for getting ahead some idea of all
>>> packages which would become installed.
>>
>> I think Greg has pointed me in the right direction when he suggested
>> " aptitude search '~pStandard' " to deal with another aspect of my
>> problem. Today's assignment is reading the user manual.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
> So what would your version of an installer do when presented with:
>
> │ [*] Debian desktop environment │
> │ [ ] ... GNOME │
> │ [ ] ... Xfce │
> │ [ ] ... KDE │
> │ [ ] ... Cinnamon │
> │ [ ] ... MATE │
> │ [ ] ... LXDE │
>
I agree with Richard's criticism and would suggest to not present that
first line "Debian desktop environment" at all, because it is redundant
with the second line "... GNOME". If someone deselects the second line
because no wanting GNOME, but does not image what the first line might
contain, then he will be surprised that GNOME became anyway fully
installed after the first line was still selected, a behaviour which
makes no sense after the second line was explicitly not selected. It is
especially annoying if you did this selection "mistake" on slow or
expensive bandwidth. When I first time did this mistake, I thought, hey,
maybe for a desktop they will install already something like network
manager and other network managing tools or a tiny collection of
enhanced editors like vim instead of vi only, maybe some other cute
utilities. But I ended up with looong time downloading and installing a
full blown GNOME which I actually wanted to avoid and therefore did
unselect the second line initially.
Best regards, Marco.
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Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-19 13:20 +0200
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-09-19 21:50 +0200
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