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Re: Particle physics 2

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Date 2018-06-13 07:25 -0700
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Subject Re: Particle physics 2
From Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>

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On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-4, numbernu...@gmail.com wrote:
> The magnetic fields of a quadrupole superconducting magnetic. arrangement 
> would result in the protons to be forced toward the side of the beam pipe.. 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> It’s simply an incorrect assertion.. That’s not the effect of those fields. 
> This is like you saying 2+2 cannot possibly equal 4 because it equals 75 
> instead. It’s simply wrong. 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupole#/media/File:VFPt_quadrupole_coils_1.svg
> 
> 
> See how the quad's magnetic field is pointing in different directions?
> Guess what would happen to the protons. Half of the protons would be
> forced to the left and the other half to the right. Right to say Jackson.

Again, you have your vectors wrong. Protons on the right side
passing through that quadrature, moving INTO the image,
will be subject to a force toward the left (i.e., the center).
Correspondingly, protons on the left moving INTO the image
will be subject to a force toward the right (again the center).
 And similarly for top and bottom.

You must have been thinking the protons were coming OUT
of the image. Then your analysis would be right. It is an
easy mistake to make.

HTH,
  ed

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