Re: References in C

From	Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: References in C
Date	2011-06-29 09:05 +1200
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On 06/29/11 08:17 AM, jacob navia wrote:
> Le 28/06/11 20:01, Tim Rentsch a écrit :
>>
>> More generally, if you want to be successful in advocating
>> changes to the C language, it's important to hear and appreciate
>> the opinions and judgments of other people, even when -- or
>> especially when -- they don't agree with your own.
>
> Excuse me if I offended you. I never intended to, and as far as I
> remember I never insulted or say anything bad about you.
>
> I respect of course your opinions, and I do think they are
> important since I have always answered each one of your remarks.
>
> But it is true that I am getting kind of paranoiac lately. I have
> been trying to improve the language by working and working in this
> community for around 20 years. The first versions of lcc-win are
> from 1995, and I started working in this project around 1992. Yes,
> it must be almost 20 years.

You are pushing against a very conservative mindset.  Getting any 
interesting changes accepted is probably even harder since the farcical 
situation with C99 where >95% of programmers use 5% of the changes and 
<5% the rest.

I think the free thinkers are now working on C++.  I'm sure there will 
be more C++0x compilers by the end of the year than C99 compilers.

-- 
Ian Collins

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References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-24 10:42 +0200
  Re: References in C BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-24 02:53 -0700
    Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-24 22:10 +1200
  Re: References in C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-24 11:14 +0100
    Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-24 16:59 +0200
  Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-24 09:26 -0400
    Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-24 20:08 +0200
      Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-24 11:40 -0700
      Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-24 14:53 -0400
      Re: References in C jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-06-24 20:44 +0000
        Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-24 23:09 +0200
          Re: References in C Joe Wright <joewwright@comcast.net> - 2011-06-24 17:38 -0400
            Re: References in C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-24 22:58 +0100
            Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-25 10:11 +1200
              Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-26 17:00 -0500
                Re: References in C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-26 22:55 +0100
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-26 18:25 -0500
                Re: References in C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-26 23:38 +0100
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-26 19:19 -0500
                Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-27 01:27 +0200
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-26 19:13 -0700
                Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-27 16:50 +1200
                Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-27 06:55 +0200
                Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-27 17:10 +1200
                Re: References in C lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2011-06-27 10:04 -0400
                Re: References in C jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-06-26 22:54 +0000
                Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-27 01:29 +0200
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-26 19:39 -0500
                Re: References in C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-06-27 07:16 +0000
                Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-27 09:46 +0200
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 12:03 -0400
                Re: References in C Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2011-06-27 12:09 -0500
                Re: References in C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-06-27 22:16 +0000
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 11:57 -0400
                Re: References in C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-06-27 22:21 +0000
                Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-28 13:59 +1200
                Re: References in C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2011-06-27 07:05 +0000
                Re: References in C jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-06-27 20:10 +0000
                Re: References in C Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2011-06-27 16:39 -0500
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-26 15:23 -0700
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-26 18:57 -0500
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-26 19:21 -0700
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 09:40 -0400
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-27 09:00 -0700
                Re: References in C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-06-27 23:15 +0000
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-28 22:50 -0700
                Re: References in C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-29 17:46 +0000
                Re: References in C Dr Nick <3-nospam@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2011-06-29 20:23 +0100
                Re: References in C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-06-29 22:35 +0000
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-29 16:52 -0700
                Re: References in C Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-07-03 01:31 +0300
                Re: References in C Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2011-07-02 17:20 -0700
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-29 18:54 -0500
                Re: References in C Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-30 10:32 -0700
                Re: References in C "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-07-01 10:19 +0200
                Re: References in C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-07-01 19:21 +0000
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-07-01 12:31 -0700
                Re: References in C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-07-01 19:32 +0000
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-07-01 13:05 -0700
                Re: References in C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-07-01 23:58 +0000
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 20:13 -0500
                Re: References in C Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-07-01 12:44 -0700
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 15:57 -0500
                Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-07-03 14:54 -0700
                Re: References in C Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-07-03 20:29 -0700
                Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-07-04 16:05 -0700
                Re: References in C Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-07-05 08:32 -0700
                Re: References in C Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2011-07-05 15:34 -0400
                Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-07-06 15:30 -0700
                Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-27 13:27 +1200
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 09:02 -0400
              Re: References in C "Joel C. Salomon" <joelcsalomon@gmail.com> - 2011-06-26 18:35 -0400
                Re: References in C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-06-26 19:11 -0400
                Re: References in C "Joel C. Salomon" <joelcsalomon@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 00:52 -0400
                Re: References in C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-06-28 07:56 -0400
          Re: References in C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-06-24 22:52 +0100
          Re: References in C jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-06-24 23:58 +0000
  Re: References in C Tom St Denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2011-06-24 06:48 -0700
    Re: References in C David Resnick <lndresnick@gmail.com> - 2011-06-24 07:14 -0700
      Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-24 16:58 +0200
        Re: References in C Tom St Denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2011-06-24 09:08 -0700
          Re: References in C Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2011-06-24 11:33 -0500
          Re: References in C gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2011-06-24 17:47 +0000
            Re: References in C JG <jgrove24@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-01 14:24 -0700
          Re: References in C Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-25 04:39 -0700
            Re: References in C BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-25 16:15 -0700
              Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-26 11:27 +1200
                Re: References in C BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-25 19:13 -0700
                Re: References in C cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2011-06-26 04:22 +0000
                Re: References in C Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-26 01:31 -0500
                Re: References in C BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-26 00:03 -0700
                Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-26 13:54 -0500
                Re: References in C luser- -droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-07 11:19 -0700
            Re: References in C Dr Nick <3-nospam@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2011-06-26 08:15 +0100
    Re: References in C Ike Naar <ike@sverige.freeshell.org> - 2011-06-24 16:08 +0000
      Re: References in C Tom St Denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2011-06-24 11:12 -0700
        Re: References in C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2011-06-24 21:42 +0000
  Re: References in C Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2011-06-24 11:49 -0500
  Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-24 13:17 -0700
    Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-24 16:46 -0400
      Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-24 14:32 -0700
        Re: References in C Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2011-06-25 09:39 +0100
          Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-07-04 17:38 -0400
  Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-24 16:33 -0400
    Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-24 23:04 +0200
  Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-06-26 17:53 -0700
    Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-27 17:04 +1200
      Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-06-27 14:28 -0700
        Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-28 14:11 +1200
          Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-06-28 16:27 -0700
          Re: References in C Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-29 13:41 -0700
            Re: References in C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-29 21:15 +0000
              Re: References in C Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-30 09:26 -0700
                Re: References in C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-30 20:55 +0000
                Re: References in C Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-30 16:20 -0700
                Re: References in C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-30 23:45 +0000
                Re: References in C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-07-01 07:58 -0400
    Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-27 10:43 +0200
      Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-27 08:32 -0700
      Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-06-28 11:01 -0700
        Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-06-28 22:17 +0200
          Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-29 09:05 +1200
          Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-28 22:24 -0700
          Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-06-29 01:07 -0700
            Re: References in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-29 21:16 +1200
              Re: References in C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-29 17:46 +0000
              Re: References in C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2011-06-29 12:19 -0700
          Re: References in C sandeep <nospam@nospam.com> - 2011-07-03 20:53 +0000
            Re: References in C Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2011-07-03 14:02 -0700
            Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-07-03 14:33 -0700
              Re: References in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-07-04 00:22 +0200
                Re: References in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-07-04 13:41 -0700
              Re: References in C gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2011-07-04 00:00 +0000
              Re: References in C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-07-04 00:20 +0000
      Re: References in C Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-07-04 17:43 -0400

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