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Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification
Date 2025-03-06 12:38 +0100
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On 2025-03-06 07:50, VanguardLH wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-03-05 21:43, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-03-05 02:45, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not relevant to my statement of having to wait for SMS messages (text or
>>>>>>> QR image content) nor there is no guaranteed delivery of SMS messages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To where is the SMS message sent?  To the phone.  Okay, I'll see an SMS
>>>>>>> message with a QR image.  Then what?  Do SMS apps have embedded scanning
>>>>>>> of the content of SMS messages to then use an embedded QR decoder to
>>>>>>> show the text embedded in the image (which obviates the whole point of
>>>>>>> supposedly securing the text string in an image) that I then have to
>>>>>>> copy/paste into some web prompt?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      AFAICT, "an SMS message with a QR image" is a figment of your
>>>>>> imagination!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I think such a thing is not mentioned anywhere and not even implied
>>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> The delivery mechanism is defined where?
>>>>>
>>>>>>      The referenced articles mention that *use* of a code in an SMS message
>>>>>> will be replaced by *use* of a QR code, but that does not mean that the
>>>>>> QR code is *in* an SMS message. (I think that would be obvious, because
>>>>>> an SMS message is too small to hold a QR code, not to mention that it
>>>>>> can only hold character data, not binary data.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I figured it could be MMS (Multimedia Messaging) instead of SMS (Short
>>>>> Message Service).  MMS can be used to send pictures.  I have automatic
>>>>> downloads of MMS disabled in my messaging apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, upon some further reading, Google Prompts looks to use
>>>>> notifications instead of SMS/MMS messages.  Maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>>>      So perhaps it's best to come up with an actual quote from the
>>>>>> referenced articles, which leads you to your assumption, instead of
>>>>>> going on and on about something which is very likely a straw man / red
>>>>>> herring.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the crux of the problem: there are no details on how QR images by
>>>>> whatever delivery mechanism are to get decoded into strings by the user
>>>>> to input into a waiting field.  All of us are just guessing for now what
>>>>> are the possibilities.
>>>>
>>>> You are imagining it wrong. You try to login on your computer; the
>>>> computer displays a picture, the phone takes a photo. There are no SMS
>>>> involved, no conversions, no fields to complete. Just point and shoot,
>>>> done. Instantly.
>>>>
>>>> Same as currently done to login to wasap on the computer. The same
>>>> system. Known and tested.
>>>
>>> No, not when logging into my computer.  Google isn't involved in me
>>> logging into my computer.
>>
>> I did not say "logging into my computer". I said "login on your
>> computer", obviously to Google, which is the context.
>>
>> You are login into google in your computer; the browser you are using,
>> or the mail application you are using displays a QR code, and tells you
>> «take a picture with "name of app" in your registered phone, number
>> ending in XXX». You comply, and in seconds you are authorized to
>> complete login to google in the computer.
> 
> "name of app" is? 

To be determined at some future date.

> Would have to be one that connects back to my Google
> account.  Play Services, Google app (aka Google Assistant), or what?
> That would provide the mechanism used to complete the Google Prompt.
> 
> What if I'm using a web browser on the phone?  The web browser on the
> phone can show a QR image the web site presents, but then what?  It's
> not like I can point the camera in the phone at the web page in the web
> browser on the phone.  Does "name of app" scan the screen?

That's not the case reported in the news. Does not apply.

Still, the app can take a screenshot.

> 
>> In the same context, the method now is that google says "you will have
>> received an SMS in your registered phone that ends in XXX, please copy
>> here the six digit number you received".
> 
> That's now with a text string send via SMS.  Google says they won't be
> using SMS (or MMS) to send QR codes.  So, some app on the phone checks
> for and displays a Google Prompt.  Apparently that would be Play
> Services or the Google app.
> 
> The part about getting an SMS notification with a string that the user
> manually transfers to a waiting input field is not what I'm asking
> about.  That uses SMS to send a string to the user sent by the web site
> interrupting a login that a messaging app will display in its window, or
> in its notification.  SMS will not be involved when Google switches to
> sending QR codes.  Looks like Google Prompts will handle delivering the
> QR image to the phone.  It was, and still is for now, sending SMS texts
> to the phone.  Not when Google switches to QR codes.
> 
> Google won't be using SMS to send QR codes.

They did not said they would.

>  The intend to drop SMS.
>  From what I've read, so far, it looks like they will use Google Prompts
> which involve either Play Services or the Google app, or maybe both in
> tandem (on Android, just the Google app on iOS) that connect to your
> Google account.
> 
> At this point, it's anyone's guess how the QR image gets from the Google
> Prompt into the waiting login page.  Perhaps Google will update their
> Google App to show the image along with its decoded string the user can
> read and manually copy, or the Google App could convert the QR image in
> the Google Prompt into a string in the clipboard to let the user paste
> into the login form, or the Google App phones home with the QR image
> showing in a web page (there is a camera button in the Google App).
> 
> Somehow all of this seems to be just for logging into Google service and
> web sites, not for use by anyone else.  Gmail is not my primary e-mail
> service, and I won't miss not using it as a backup e-mail provider.
> Many other Google services have their own Android app, so they don't
> need QR codes.  Google services I used on my desktop run in the
> background, like Google Drive, and they don't ask for logins (after the
> initial setup).  Displaying a QR code at a Google web site viewed in a
> web browser on the desktop to complete the loop by using a phone's
> camera that pipes the decoded string back to Google would complete that
> loop.  Not sure how a QR code displayed at a Google web site in a web
> browser on the phone is going to get scanned to send the string back to
> your Google account.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-02 14:28 +0100
  Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-02 14:48 +0100
  Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-02 16:41 +0000
    Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-03-02 17:45 +0000
    Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-04 02:41 +0100
      Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-03 21:23 -0700
        Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-03-04 07:11 +0000
          Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-04 13:23 -0600
        Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 13:38 +0000
          Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-04 09:22 -0700
          Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-04 19:37 -0600
      Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-04 07:05 +0000
      Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-06 11:39 +0100
        Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-06 10:06 -0600
          Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-07 14:39 +0100
            Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-07 15:57 -0600
  Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-03 04:05 -0600
    Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-03 04:18 -0600
      Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-03 11:26 +0100
    Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 11:18 +0100
      Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-03 11:27 +0100
      Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-03 04:39 -0600
        Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 11:48 +0100
          Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-03 13:45 -0600
            Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:28 +0100
              Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-03 21:58 -0600
        Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-03 14:20 +0000
          Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-03-04 07:28 +0000
            Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-04 12:18 -0600
              Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-04 19:42 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-04 13:53 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:34 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-04 19:45 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 03:48 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-05 14:43 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 23:14 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-06 00:50 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 12:38 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-06 15:46 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 23:22 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-06 21:21 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-07 03:49 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-07 01:53 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-07 09:34 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-07 10:37 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-07 10:34 +0100
                Re: Phones and apps forced on you Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-08 18:18 +0000
                Re: Phones and apps forced on you "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-09 14:52 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-07 10:00 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-06 15:00 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 19:14 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-06 15:59 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-07 09:44 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 11:23 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-06 07:51 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-03-06 08:02 +0000
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-06 16:14 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-04 22:37 +0100
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-04 19:49 -0600
                Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 03:44 +0100
              Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 18:51 +0000
            Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-03-07 08:08 +0000
              Re: Google will no longer send SMSs with six digit codes for verification Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-07 10:42 +0000
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