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Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World

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On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 2:26:13 AM UTC-7, Exandre Bertrand wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> > This was not a fatal contradiction per se, just a strange situation
> > which implied the "lab" system was physically different from all the
> > others. But Newtonian mechanics is NOT similarly affected despite the
> > macroscopic forces _it_ describes being derivable from electromagnetic
> > phenomena. So somewhere along the way to mechanics, electromagnetic
> > forces "forget" that the "lab" coordinates are privileged. There was
> > nothing at all indicating what would be the cause of such "forgetting".
> 
> You contradict yourself. Relativity has nothing to do with 
> electromagnetism.

It does, it was the root cause for Einstein's becoming interested in the problem.

> He fell into Relativity by mistake, FORGETTING that 
> light is in fact ELECTROMAGNETISM.

His 1905 paper contradicts this. That paper is about endowing the (by then known
already) Lorentz transformation with a physical meaning which it lacked at the time.
Today we find it hard to read that paper without knowing what happened later but
at the time it was written, it was the "Electrodynamical part" which was the real reason
for the paper. The "Kinematical part" was conceived "merely" as a reasonable
physical justification for _deriving_ the Lorentz transform and treating its "time
parameter" seriously. This was what made the transformed expressions for E and B
"physically legal".

Before Einstein's paper these manipulations were known, of course, but were considered 
mostly mathematical oddities of Maxwell's equations. The hope was aether would
eventually be detected and its properties established by some experiments which would
finally account for all the oddities. This part never worked which was both frustrating and
surprising (e.g. Michelson-Morley of which Einstein was unaware AFAICT). 

--
Jan

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Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-06 23:26 -0700
  Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-07 06:01 -0700
    Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Ocho Hoshouwa <yeoh@eohotwa.ey> - 2017-07-08 11:16 +0000
  Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-07 06:29 -0700
    Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-07 06:47 -0700
    Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-07 08:04 -0700
      Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-07 08:15 -0700
        Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-28 07:17 -0700
          Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-28 17:11 +0000
            Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Jeèným Hová <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-29 15:51 +0000
          Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 09:00 -0500
            Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-31 12:43 -0700
              Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-01 14:20 +0000
              Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:38 -0500
    Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-08 01:10 -0700
      Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-08 06:23 -0700
        Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Ocho Hoshouwa <yeoh@eohotwa.ey> - 2017-07-08 13:35 +0000
  Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 11:31 -0700
    Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Exandre Bertrand <aeid@xani.pr> - 2017-07-29 09:26 +0000
      Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 13:44 -0700
        Re: Einsteinians Fool the Gullible World Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-29 21:03 +0000

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