Re: Dumb Question about SL server.

Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Date	2015-04-14 12:15 -0700
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Subject	Re: Dumb Question about SL server.
From	Király <ggrandish@gmail.com>

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On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
> compare snow leopard client versus server and then with lion.

Not necessary. What other license agreements may or may not say does not
matter; their SLAs do not apply to 10.6.

> for snow leopard client, it's one copy per mac for either single user
> or family pack. there is nothing in it about additional copies or a
> virtual machine.

Nobody said anything about additional copies. If I am installing a single
copy of Snow Leopard on a Mac, with no other copies of it installed, I am
not violating any part of the SLA, whether the installation is in a virtual 
machine or not.

> lion has a clause that is not present in snow leopard that specifically
> refers to virtual machines

The clause allows one run multiple copies of it on the same Mac. That's not
what the OP wanted to do with Snow Leopard. He only wanted to install one copy. 

> it also restricts what can be done with it when used in a vm.

Yes it does, and it is notable that the Snow Leopard SLA does not contain any
such restrictions.

The idea that the Snow Leopard SLA prohibits the end user from installing it
into a virtual machine on a Mac with no other copies of Snow Leopard installed
is a myth. It was created by somebody who was looking for an explanation of
why the VM companies do not support Snow Leopard client in their VMs and floated
that end user SLA idea without ever reading the license. It has grown into one
of the most pervasive bits of computer folklore ever. It simply isn't true.

The virtual machine companies are not prohibiting Snow Leopard client
installations because of end user SLAs. They are simply not in the business of
enforcing end user SLAs. If they were in that business, they would prohibit
the installation of 10.7, 10.8, and 10.9 virtual machines on a Mac that is
running OS X 10.10, because doing any of those is a violation of their
respective software license agreements. But they don't prohibit that, because 
that's not their business. That's between Apple and the end user and is up to
the end user to follow.

There is some other reason that the VM companies do not permit the installation
of Snow Leopard client into their VMs, and it must have to do with some
licensing agreement that they have with Apple. None of these agreements have
ever been made public. In any case, we the end users are not party to any such
agreements and are not bound by them.

Anyway, this horse has been beaten to death, the myth has been debunked years 
ago, and those who keep dragging it up should give it a rest already. Especially
those of you with the "go ask a lawyer" remarks. You are the ones making an
unsubstantiated claim that the Snow Leopard license says something that it does
not, and the burden of proof is on you to go find a lawyer to back up your
claim, not the other way around.

Snow Leopard is now obsoleted software anyway - Apple doesn't even support it
anymore.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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Dumb Question about SL server. Ymir <agisaak.spamblock@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 08:15 -0600
  Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 15:27 +0000
    Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Ymir <agisaak.spamblock@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:07 -0600
      Re: Dumb Question about SL server. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-10 13:19 -0400
        Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-10 13:33 -0400
          Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Ymir <agisaak.spamblock@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 11:44 -0600
            Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-10 13:52 -0400
            Re: Dumb Question about SL server. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 14:57 -0400
              Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Ymir <agisaak.spamblock@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 08:00 -0600
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 22:05 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 18:13 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-12 02:23 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Ymir <agisaak.spamblock@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 10:14 -0600
            Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-11 11:05 +0000
            Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:38 +0000
              Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Ymir <agisaak.spamblock@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 07:58 -0600
              Re: Dumb Question about SL server. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-11 13:59 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-11 18:30 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-11 15:08 -0500
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-11 23:21 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 19:29 -0400
      Re: Dumb Question about SL server. billy@MIX.COM - 2015-04-13 23:47 +0000
        Re: Dumb Question about SL server. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-14 06:13 +0000
          Re: Dumb Question about SL server. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-14 04:27 -0400
            Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-14 11:19 -0400
              Re: Dumb Question about SL server. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-14 11:46 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Király <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 12:15 -0700
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-14 15:50 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-14 16:37 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-15 00:38 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-15 01:43 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-14 22:00 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-15 08:48 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-15 11:29 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-15 15:19 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-15 20:51 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-16 10:19 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-16 12:54 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-16 20:36 -0400
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-15 00:14 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. billy@MIX.COM - 2015-04-14 22:02 +0000
                Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-15 11:22 -0400
            Re: Dumb Question about SL server. billy@MIX.COM - 2015-04-14 15:26 +0000
          Re: Dumb Question about SL server. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-14 11:14 -0400
  Re: Dumb Question about SL server. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-10 13:15 -0400

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