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Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about"

From Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Newsgroups comp.misc
Subject Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about"
Date 2014-11-01 22:05 +0200
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Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>:

> If you _WANT_ your daemon to communicate with DBUS with systemd, read
> the docs.

Finally we are approaching what I asked in the beginning: how does one
write a systemd-aware daemon?

I know systemd can deal with a number of schemes to interface with
legacy daemons with better or worse results. But are you saying systemd
doesn't have any native or preferred daemon interface or policy? If that
is indeed the systemd way, you could have said that right away (and
pointed to the documentation stating that fact).

In fact, it seems the opposite is the case. <URL:
http://0pointer.de/public/systemd-man/sd_notify.html> documents a C
library interface for the daemon to chat directly with systemd.

And finally, I can make progress with my "strong doubts." I laud systemd
for trying to bring clarity to the daemon lifecycle. However, I don't
like it depending on a shared library. Instead, it should be defined
like X11 and Wayland: through a protocol. Obviously, underlying
sd_notify() is some sort of protocol that could be reverse-engineered
with a moderate effort. I think it should be front-page material on
systemd documentation.


Marko

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Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-10-24 20:41 +0000
  Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-10-24 23:57 +0300
    Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-25 01:55 +0000
      Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-10-26 19:23 +0000
    Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-10-27 22:17 +0200
      Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-10-27 22:56 +0200
        Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-10-28 11:27 +0000
      Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" "D.D." <usenet.xyzzyx@spamgourmet.com> - 2014-10-28 04:34 -0700
        Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-10-31 19:04 +0200
          Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-10-31 19:51 +0200
            Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-10-31 14:55 -0400
              Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-10-31 23:48 +0200
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-10-31 18:58 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-01 01:23 +0200
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-10-31 21:50 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-01 09:14 +0200
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-01 10:15 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-01 16:26 +0200
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-01 10:40 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-11-01 16:07 +0100
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-01 13:20 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-11-01 23:48 +0100
                Re: systemd documentation Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-01 19:53 -0400
                Re: systemd documentation Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-11-02 01:11 +0100
                Re: systemd documentation Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-01 21:25 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-02 10:37 +0200
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-02 10:13 -0500
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-01 18:09 +0200
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-01 13:16 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-01 22:05 +0200
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-01 19:39 -0400
                Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-02 10:57 +0200
        Re: Lunduke says "lxde desktop is nothing to write home about" Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-11-14 20:21 +0200

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