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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: Who Knew ? |
| Followup-To | alt.folklore.computers |
| Date | 2021-11-01 13:52 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <87mtmn7ohj.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <87bl369n3h.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <kYKdndCsEo2kv-P8nZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@earthlink.com> <slm63j$o8q$1@dont-email.me> <87zgqp6kox.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> <slnrc4$scc$1@dont-email.me> |
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Followups directed to: alt.folklore.computers
On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 04:44:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > On 31/10/2021 19:47, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:35:46 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>> More than that, operating in small model mode, you could pretty much >>> run 8080 code through a translator and port CP/M programs to it >>> easily. >>> The business market had been taken by the 8080/z80 and CP/M while the >>> hobbysist were all using 6502s. >> Hmm. If you consider the "bedroom coders" in the UK hobbyists - they >> mainly coded on the ZX Spectrum (may some on the ZX81/80 before), which >> has a Z80 CPU. > > Most UK 'home' computers were *not* based on a z80. > > Sinclair came very late to the party. > > First micro I saw was altair 8800 - s100 bus. 8080. That was serious > . 1974 or thereabouts "Home computers" are described from any micro as the Altair 8800 (designed 1974 but showed up in January 1975 to start the craze). True, that one had a 8080. > The Apple 1 was around 1973, 6502 again It was released 1976. The 6502 itself is from 1975. About 200 Apple 1 were produced, making it a collector's item today. Only with the Apple 2 a year later they produced large quantities. > Then the Apple II, PET and trash 80 came a couple of years later. 1977. > Only the trash 80 was z80. But it could be used in business. I think the TRS-80 can also be considered a non-business computer. > At that time the split was clear. CP/M was for business and ran on > Z80s/8080s. UK "Home micros" with a Z80 (ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPCs, ...) where not shipped with CP/M, although you could probably run it. Did this (in an emulator) with the CPC <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qStVxf0XlE0>. > 6502s were for hobbyists writing in basic and assembler. The UK market (and that's what we're talking here about) saw more Z80 based ZX (Spectrum, 81/80) machines that Commodore 64s. But the UK saw also a big number of Acorn computers, which ran a 6502. Those, like Apple 2s, were rather expensive that they were mainly used in the education sector. If you check some links of <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_computers> it can be noticed that most of the used a Z80. > As for 6809s - great chip. No one really used it. The TRS color computer and "clone" Dragon 32/64 did. Latter also sold in numbers. [...] >> OK, there were many using a C64 (6510, similar to a 6502) and the >> Oric, >> which sold reasonably well in the UK and France back in the day. >> But considering me as hobbyist back in the 1980s I indeed started to >> code >> in assembler on a 6502 (C64). >> > > Exactly. Wasn't Apple II a 6502 as well? Yes, but at least in Europe to expensive for the common user. Outside the UK most got a C64, while in the UK Spectrums ruled the market. F'up2 alt.folklore.computers -- Andreas
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