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Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ?

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Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
> pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> writes:
> > Keith Thompson wrote:
> >> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
> >> > Xavier Roche <xroche@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid> writes:
> >> >>Is there a C standard expert who can confirm what shall return
> >> >>0.0 ? 1 : 0
> >> >
> >> >   An expression does not return. A function may return. After
> >> >
> >> > int f(){ return 0.0 ? 1 : 0; {
> >> >
> >> >   , we can say that f »shall return 0.0 ? 1 : 0«.
> >> 
> >> An expression *yields* a value. (I think earlier versions of the
> >> standard used the word "return" for the results of expressions in
> >> some places; as far as I know it's been cleaned up.)
> >
> > Section "6.5 Expressions" in both C89 and in C99, 
> > described the bitwise operators as returning values.
> 
> C99 says they "return" values; N1256 says they "yield" values,
> as does N1570 (the C11 pre-release draft).
> 
> None of the three Technical Corrigenda (which in theory constitute
> the difference between C99 and N1256) contain the word "yield".
> I think the editor, Larry Jones, just made the change himself.

Not just that, but he disclosed that here after a discussion
almost identical to this one. IIRC.

Whilst I think it's good to wean people off inappropriate use of
"return", I don't think it's worth making too big a thing of, at
least if the question has been understood by everyone who didn't
deliberately want to be adversarial.

Phil
-- 
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What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Xavier Roche <xroche@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid> - 2012-07-20 15:21 +0200
  Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-20 14:57 +0100
    Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 14:39 -0700
      Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2012-07-21 23:31 +0000
        Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 21:57 -0700
          Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-22 17:27 +0300
            Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 11:15 -0700
          Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-22 18:43 +0000
            Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 10:14 -0700
          Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2012-07-22 22:43 +0000
            Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 10:59 -0700
      Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-22 02:43 +0100
        Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 22:05 -0700
      Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2012-07-22 03:20 -0700
        Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-22 14:25 +0100
          Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> - 2012-07-22 18:56 -0400
            Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-23 01:37 +0100
              Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> - 2012-07-23 07:27 -0400
            Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ike Naar <ike@sverige.freeshell.org> - 2012-07-23 06:45 +0000
              Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> - 2012-07-23 07:37 -0400
          Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ike Naar <ike@sverige.freeshell.org> - 2012-07-23 06:49 +0000
            Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-23 12:42 +0100
  Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-07-20 15:58 +0200
    Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Xavier Roche <xroche@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid> - 2012-07-20 16:02 +0200
      Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-07-20 16:22 +0200
        Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Xavier Roche <xroche@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid> - 2012-07-20 16:26 +0200
          Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-07-20 15:11 -0400
          Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Robert Miles <milesrf@Usenet-News.net> - 2012-08-25 00:16 -0500
      Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-07-20 15:10 -0400
  Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-20 18:15 +0200
  Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-20 09:51 -0700
    Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-07-20 20:29 -0400
      Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-20 20:25 -0700
        Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-21 22:22 +0300
        Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 14:54 -0700
    Re: expressions, evaluations, and values (was: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ?) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 14:52 -0700
  Re: What shall return "0.0 ? 1 : 0" ? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-20 10:08 -0700

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