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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: should c be a subset of c++? |
| Date | 2015-09-01 13:32 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <87fv2ynwux.fsf@bsb.me.uk> (permalink) |
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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:31:46 AM UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
>>
>> > We can't physically create a perfect circle.
>>
>> Of course you can -- at least in the same sense that your seem be using
>> below. The following set of symbols, written in crayon on paper, does
>> the job:
>>
>> C(o, r) = { p in RxR | dist(p, o) = r }
>>
>> > We can get pretty close
>> > to it, but there's always a bit of flexibility in our paper that
>> > makes it not quite the Euclidean plane. Even if we could create such
>> > a circles, it's not clear how we would set about taking its circumference.
>> > However we can can have an exact representation of the ratios 1:1, 1 :3,
>> > 1:5, 1:7 1:9 and so on. We can push that arbitrarily far, though not
>> > to infinity.
>>
>> What exact physical representation of these ratios do you have in mind
>> if not a symbolic one like the one you've just used?
>>
>> The distinguishable voltages and charges used in conventional computers
>> permit a set of discrete symbols to be defined. These allow
>> representations of perfect circles to be computed with in the same way
>> that they permit representations of perfect ratios to be computed with.
>>
>> What matters is the symbols and the rules about manipulating them which
>> is why I prefer to stop at the abstract symbolic representation, but
>> all such discrete systems can be "physically represented" unless I'm
>> still missing what you mean by the term.
>>
> The "physical representation of the number" is analogous to your
> "physical representation of a circle". Fair enough. It's just
> some symbols to which we attach a meaning. The difference is that
> we can do the manipulations sum and divide, although admittedly
> it's very hard to do them perfectly, and we can then convert to
> the denary representation which is what we want as our final result.
>
> However it's not clear to me how you manipulate the set notation for
> a circle to get the circumference, in denary notation.
That's because neither you nor I have presented a model of computation
that manipulates geometric representations. Maybe it can and maybe it
can't (it will always have to terminate with an approximation if it is
to meet the usual definition of algorithm) but if it can't it won't be
because it's limited to something you once called physical
representations.
> (If we drop the requirement for a perfect circle, we can of course
> use the circumference / diameter algorithm, we digitise a Cartesian
> plane in x, y, and make pixels containing the set white and background
> pixels black. We then say that a line from pixel centre to pixel
> centre approximates the circumference. That will give us an estimate
> of PI. If we were ancient Greeks, unsure of what we were dealing
> with, we'd probably explore that sort of approach, as Mandelbrot
> did with his set).
No, the requirement you have to drop is for a perfect answer because pi
has no perfect finite decimal representation. To get a finite answer
you must ask for some specific precision and then the "geometric computer"
could produce it using its representation of a perfect circle.
--
Ben.
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Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-06 11:15 -0700
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Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-06 20:49 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-08 07:55 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 16:27 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-04 15:14 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-05 00:58 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 01:11 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-09-05 19:12 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-26 11:39 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 17:47 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-26 12:55 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-26 07:14 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 03:54 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-26 12:01 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 04:07 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-26 13:13 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:28 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 09:05 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:18 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2015-08-26 13:31 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-26 18:52 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-26 14:04 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:25 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-26 21:37 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:49 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:16 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:47 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:46 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 19:58 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 11:31 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 10:40 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 03:34 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 12:54 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-27 10:46 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 07:56 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:08 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 16:36 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:49 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 10:24 +0200
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Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 11:55 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 14:09 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 15:14 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 11:38 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 07:17 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 16:24 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-27 18:58 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 20:35 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:07 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 21:36 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:31 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:25 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:30 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 14:49 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-27 22:34 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 00:31 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 18:16 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 10:08 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:03 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 23:18 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:34 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:03 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 12:02 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 06:02 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 07:52 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 16:14 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:26 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-28 18:06 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 18:33 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:38 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 17:08 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 17:12 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:15 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 18:20 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 17:13 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 12:38 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:58 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 15:36 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:11 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:57 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:21 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:34 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 17:16 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 13:03 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 18:38 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 23:29 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-28 01:15 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:25 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:39 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 00:56 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 00:45 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 13:05 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 10:46 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 11:38 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 05:23 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 13:51 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:20 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 09:55 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 15:10 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 09:03 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 13:38 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 06:11 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 13:59 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:31 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 20:36 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 15:55 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 14:57 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 17:45 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 22:36 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 23:38 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-29 09:29 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 17:52 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 19:27 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-28 21:30 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:14 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 18:51 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:48 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 20:15 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ayan <selfjam@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 23:59 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Lőrinczy Zsigmond <zsiga@nospam.for.me> - 2015-08-27 12:03 +0200
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