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Re: should c be a subset of c++?

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: should c be a subset of c++?
Date 2015-08-31 18:04 +0100
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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:

> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:11:20 PM UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
>> 
>> > And it's got to by physically realisable.
>> 
>> I don't know what that means.  Really I don't.  The only restriction
>> that I would make is that the underlying model be Turing equivalent, so
>> that an algorithm is just another terms for an "effective procedure".
>> But this is a theoretical restriction, not a physical one.
>> 
> A perfectly adequate definition of PI is "Take a circle, find the length
> of the circumference and the length of a line passing through the
> centre with endpoints where it intersects the circumference. Then
> find their proportion and express it as a denary decimal point number."
>
> It's not an algorithm, because it's not physically realisable.

It's not an algorithm because it does not terminate.  There is no
decimal representation of the pi.  Maybe you meant "... to three
decimals" or something like that?

Anyway, if we somehow fix that, it is an algorithm provided you specify
the model of computation.  I can specify a model that makes it a fine
algorithm, but you will consider it cheating.  Because pi *is* the ratio
in question, any model of computation that has (a) objects like circles,
(b) real-valued lengths and (c) finite-precision representations of
these reals already "knows" pi in some sense.

But I accept that you'll have a different defintion of algorithm (that's
hardly going to come a s surprise to me) but I'm trying here to
understand what you mean by "physically realisable" and that example did
not help.

> If we say
> Take the series
>
> 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 ...
>
> we've got an algorithm. It's not much use if we're using pencil and
> paper, but it's perfectly feasible for decent precision on a computer,
> even a slow one.

Why is this "physically realisable" and a model of circles and lines is
not?  But I accept that you'll have a different defintion of algorithm
(that's hardly going to come a s surprise to me) but I'm trying here to
understand what you mean by "physically realisable" and this example
does not help.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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should c be a subset of c++? G G <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 14:14 -0700
  Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 14:43 -0700
    Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-25 15:26 -0700
      Re: should c be a subset of c++? Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-30 09:51 -0700
        Re: should c be a subset of c++? Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-30 10:46 -0700
          Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-30 20:55 +0100
            Re: should c be a subset of c++? Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-30 13:14 -0700
              Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-31 00:04 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 03:01 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-31 12:11 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 06:31 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-08-31 10:24 -0400
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-31 18:04 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 11:28 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-01 00:31 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 17:19 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-08-31 22:18 -0400
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-01 13:32 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 05:37 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-01 16:51 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 09:45 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-01 20:04 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 12:15 -0700
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                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 12:41 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-01 21:02 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 13:14 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-02 00:42 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 17:24 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-01 13:34 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-02 19:07 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-02 19:13 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:25 -0700
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                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-01 06:44 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-01 14:49 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 07:21 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 07:22 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-01 07:33 -0700
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                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-01 20:00 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-01 12:57 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-01 23:57 +0100
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                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 09:34 -0700
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                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-06 20:49 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-08 07:55 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 16:27 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-04 15:14 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-05 00:58 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 01:11 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-09-05 19:12 +0000
    Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-26 11:39 +1200
      Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 17:47 -0700
        Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-26 12:55 +1200
        Re: should c be a subset of c++? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-26 07:14 +0100
          Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 03:54 -0700
            Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-26 12:01 +0100
              Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 04:07 -0700
            Re: should c be a subset of c++? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-26 13:13 +0000
              Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:28 -0700
          Re: should c be a subset of c++? Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 09:05 -0500
            Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:18 -0700
            Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2015-08-26 13:31 -0400
              Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-26 18:52 +0100
              Re: should c be a subset of c++? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-26 14:04 -0400
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:25 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-26 21:37 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:49 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:16 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:47 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:46 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 19:58 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 11:31 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 10:40 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 03:34 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 12:54 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-27 10:46 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 07:56 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:08 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 16:36 -0400
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:49 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 10:24 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-27 12:00 -0500
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 11:55 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 14:09 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 15:14 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 11:38 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 07:17 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 16:24 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-27 18:58 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 20:35 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:07 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 21:36 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:31 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:25 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:30 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 14:49 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-27 22:34 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 00:31 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 18:16 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 10:08 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:03 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 23:18 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:34 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:03 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 12:02 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 06:02 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 07:52 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 16:14 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:26 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-28 18:06 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 18:33 -0500
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:38 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 17:08 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 17:12 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:15 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 18:20 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 17:13 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 12:38 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:58 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 15:36 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:11 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:57 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:21 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:34 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 17:16 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 13:03 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 18:38 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 23:29 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-28 01:15 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:25 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:39 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 00:56 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 00:45 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 13:05 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 10:46 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 11:38 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 05:23 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 13:51 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:20 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 09:55 -0500
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 15:10 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 09:03 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 13:38 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 06:11 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 13:59 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:31 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 20:36 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 15:55 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 14:57 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 17:45 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 22:36 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 23:38 +0000
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-29 09:29 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 17:52 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 19:27 +0100
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-28 21:30 +0200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:14 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 18:51 -0700
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:48 +1200
                Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 20:15 -0700
    Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ayan <selfjam@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 23:59 -0400
  Re: should c be a subset of c++? Lőrinczy Zsigmond <zsiga@nospam.for.me> - 2015-08-27 12:03 +0200
    Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 03:33 -0700
      Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 13:04 +0200

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