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Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C?

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C?
Date 2015-08-18 15:01 +0100
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Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 17/08/2015 19:38, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
<snip>
>> OTOH, people generally overestimate the importance of knowing the exact
>> file size; just open the file and read until you reach the end, for
>> whatever definition of "end" may apply to that file type and OS.
>
> This makes is harder to do something as simple as reading the data
> from a file into a memory block. Sometimes you have to set aside your
> paranoia and assume the file you're reading is well-behaved. An easy
> way is to make this a requirement of your application.
>
> Otherwise, how does a program even do this:
>
>   gcc file.c
>
> when file.c is still in the middle of being edited (by an editor
> working off disk or performing continuous updates), or is likely to be
> replaced by an entirely different file halfway through being read?
>
> Whatever assumptions a program such as gcc makes about its input
> files, or restrictions it might impose, can be done by any
> application.

Sure.  gcc does not need to know the size in advance and it does not
need to seek the file (i.e. it can compile from a pipe).  For many
programs (and gcc is one such example -- at least for it's main C source
files), all they need to do is read the data and process it as they go.

-- 
Ben.

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How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? fl <rxjwg98@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:28 -0700
  Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-12 23:52 +0100
    Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? fl <rxjwg98@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:13 -0700
      Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-13 00:33 +0100
      Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-13 00:06 +0000
        Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-13 20:50 +0000
          Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-17 13:38 -0500
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-17 14:48 -0400
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-18 11:10 +0100
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-18 15:01 +0100
      Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? gordonb.8n5lc@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-08-14 02:33 -0500
        Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-14 10:06 +0200
          Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-14 09:14 +0100
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-14 21:27 +0000
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 09:52 +0200
          Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-08-15 01:17 +0100
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 10:27 +0200
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-15 18:09 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 22:05 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 19:17 -0700
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 13:50 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-15 21:37 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 23:33 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-15 22:58 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-16 00:08 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-16 00:40 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-16 02:23 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 19:37 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-16 15:35 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-16 10:31 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 19:21 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 23:31 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-16 03:38 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-16 17:29 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-17 01:46 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-17 09:03 -0700
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-08-16 03:23 +0100
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-08-17 00:56 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-08-17 01:08 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-17 10:20 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-17 09:01 -0700
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-15 11:31 +0100
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 14:01 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-15 22:28 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 19:29 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-16 10:50 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-16 17:40 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:22 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-16 21:27 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-17 01:31 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-17 20:25 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-17 16:29 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-17 23:43 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-17 18:20 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:10 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-18 05:26 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-22 14:23 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-18 04:23 -0700
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                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 17:42 -0700
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                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-19 18:04 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 16:52 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-20 18:18 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-21 20:39 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 17:17 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-21 19:35 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 18:28 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-22 22:43 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-22 00:07 -0400
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 18:59 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-22 23:22 -0400
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 19:17 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-23 21:35 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 16:59 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-24 17:57 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-08-25 01:09 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 19:03 -0700
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                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-26 18:28 -0400
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 19:25 -0700
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                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-27 18:04 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 11:15 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-27 21:10 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-27 15:54 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 09:28 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-27 13:12 -0600
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