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Re: x === x

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: x === x
Date 2017-06-01 14:17 +0100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <874lvzx2xw.fsf@bsb.me.uk> (permalink)
References (2 earlier) <42992d96-86e3-4224-b011-5cb32f610a83@googlegroups.com> <randomness-20170531165035@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <1566693.VLH7GnMWUR@PointedEars.de> <87bmq8y14q.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <randomness-20170601030554@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>

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ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>I don't know of an uncontroversial and universally agreed-upon definition,
>>so I won't try to offer one.
>
>   I'd say, a bit source is truly random when the probability
>   of any party to correctly guess the next bit is 0.5.

I think that's pretty reasonable, but what about an algorithmic PRNG,
seeded by (unobserved) thermal noise and distributed in a tamper-proof
hardware package?

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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Re: x === x Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-30 16:21 +0200
  Re: x === x John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-30 19:16 +0100
  Re: x === x Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2017-05-31 08:39 -0700
    Re: x === x Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 18:08 +0200
      Re: x === x Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-06-02 22:27 +0100
    Re: x === x Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-31 21:03 +0200
      Re: x === x Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-06-02 22:12 +0100
    Re: x === x Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-31 21:09 +0200
      Re: x === x Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-01 01:58 +0100
        Re: x === x Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-01 05:01 +0200
          Re: x === x Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-01 14:44 +0100
          Re: x === x Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-06-02 21:15 +0100
        Re: x === x Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-01 14:17 +0100
    Re: x === x Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-06-01 00:10 -0700
      Re: x === x Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-06-02 22:16 +0100

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