Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ben Bacarisse Newsgroups: comp.lang.javascript Subject: Re: x === x Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 14:17:15 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 16 Message-ID: <874lvzx2xw.fsf@bsb.me.uk> References: <2563985.e9J7NaK4W3@PointedEars.de> <42992d96-86e3-4224-b011-5cb32f610a83@googlegroups.com> <1566693.VLH7GnMWUR@PointedEars.de> <87bmq8y14q.fsf@bsb.me.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="b8cfcc8b3b6248419b3e2a0831823cf6"; logging-data="29728"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18+/TTu/HWJZrjrc5QH3fk07urbGi3KBJ0=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Zpou6FxjoEzoRFx5jAoMk4nRvQA= sha1:dCud22DbxE/Yhl4OUUY+erpAfrU= X-BSB-Auth: 1.7b339663e2298a9ad545.20170601141715BST.874lvzx2xw.fsf@bsb.me.uk Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.javascript:33471 ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes: > Ben Bacarisse writes: >>I don't know of an uncontroversial and universally agreed-upon definition, >>so I won't try to offer one. > > I'd say, a bit source is truly random when the probability > of any party to correctly guess the next bit is 0.5. I think that's pretty reasonable, but what about an algorithmic PRNG, seeded by (unobserved) thermal noise and distributed in a tamper-proof hardware package? -- Ben.