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| From | Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Your definition of "Forth" is ...? - was [Re: Hard Forth] |
| Organization | nocrew |
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| Date | 2016-09-16 12:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <86twdgi1zz.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> (permalink) |
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
> Intel was first to market in the beyond-8-bit area, which got them the
> IBM PC design win, so in a way their decisions were right.
There are a few different versions of that story. Maturity and time to
market seems to have been one concern, but also cost:
68000 was carefully considered. "An excellent architecture chip, it
has proven to be a worthy competitor to the Intel-based
architecture." There were four major concerns:
1) 16 bit data path would require more bus buffers, therefore a more
expensive system board.
2) more memory chips for a minimum configuration.
3) while it had a performance advantage, the 68000 was not as memory
efficient.
4) Companion and support chips not as well covered as Intel.
He also felt the the 68000 didn't have as good software and support
tools, and the similar register model allowed the porting of 8080
tools to the 8086/8088.
"In summary the 8088 was selected because it allowed the lowest cost
implementation of an architecture that provided a migration path to
a larger address space and higher performance implementations.
Because it was a unique choice relative to competitive system
implementations, IBM could be viewed as a leader, rather than a
follower. It had a feasible software migration path that allowed
access to the large base of existing 8080 software.
http://yarchive.net/comp/ibm_pc_8088.html
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