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Re: Comma operator in for() statements

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Comma operator in for() statements
Date 2020-03-27 07:42 -0700
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Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> writes:

> Ben Bacarisse to Anton Shepelev:
>
>>> My negative criticism of C's `for' statement is that it
>>> is essentialy a rather complicated *functional*
>>> statement, because it comprises four pieces of code that
>>> are executed in a non-trivial order and with non-trivial
>>> relations.  Passing pieces of code to statements is
>>> functional programming.  In procedural programming, one
>>> passes data, that is, in our case, -- index boundaries.
>>
>> What about the body?
>
> Indeed.  I was wrong, and should have named three instead of
> four functional pieces of code.
>
>> What about the condition in an 'if' and the arms of an
>> 'if'.
>
> The codition of an `if' is not a piece of code passed to a
> statement because it is executed only once, and can be
> replaced by its pre-calculated truth value, taking into
> account short-circuit evaluation and C's vague separation
> between statements and expressions.
>
> The body (or bodies) of control statmenets are not, in my
> view, passed to statements at all.  Rather, the control-flow
> statements are mark-up around blocks of linear (non-control)
> code.  Operator braces {} are just mark up.
>
>> The condition and body of a while?
>
> Yes, `while' "takes" the loop invariant in the same sense as
> does `for', yet `while' is much simpler and much more
> intutive in that it "takes" only one piece of code, which
> can be kept strictly as control code (only checks, no
> assignments), and that it is executed in the intuitive order
> of appearance.  The same applies to do..while.
>
> One of the worst abuses of `while' is code for which many
> programmers praise C:
>
>   char *s, *d;
>   /* ... */
>   while (*d++ = *s++);
>
> It employs several means of obfuscation:
>
>   1.  loop-control statements with side effects,
>
>   2.  use of counter-intuitive post-increment operator on
>       both parts of an assibnment.
>
>   3.  confusion of logical condition and comparison with
>       zero.
>
>   4.  an empty body of the `while' statement.

It's idiomatic C.  Perhaps more importantly, C not only allows
such constructions but embraces them stylistically.  Such things
have been part of C since its earliest beginnings.  If someone
wants to write Pascal-style code they should write in Pascal.

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Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-21 19:51 -0700
  Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 03:31 +0000
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-21 23:17 -0700
      Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 12:00 +0000
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-22 08:57 -0700
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 16:20 +0000
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-22 14:02 -0700
              Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 21:26 +0000
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-22 10:25 +0100
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-03-22 08:27 -0400
      Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 16:31 +0000
  Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 00:33 -0400
  Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-22 12:23 +0000
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 05:47 -0700
      Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-22 14:17 +0000
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements felix@palmen-it.de (Felix Palmen) - 2020-03-22 15:55 +0100
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-22 15:01 +0000
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements felix@palmen-it.de (Felix Palmen) - 2020-03-22 16:05 +0100
              Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-22 16:46 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements felix@palmen-it.de (Felix Palmen) - 2020-03-22 18:14 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 11:42 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-22 22:03 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 23:51 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-23 14:37 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 08:41 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Guillaume <message@bottle.org> - 2020-03-23 16:53 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-23 16:31 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-23 16:48 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 09:53 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-23 18:59 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 11:23 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-23 19:51 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-23 14:28 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 13:09 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 13:20 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-03-23 20:26 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 13:55 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 15:43 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 16:27 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 17:13 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 21:11 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-24 00:19 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-24 10:30 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 03:07 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-24 11:37 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-24 11:18 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-24 13:23 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-24 14:53 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-25 10:35 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-25 11:12 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ike Naar <ike@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2020-03-26 19:21 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 21:22 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-03-27 06:46 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-03-28 01:01 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-28 11:26 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-03-28 14:22 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-04-02 08:12 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 12:21 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-04-02 19:43 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 12:56 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-24 23:44 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-23 17:10 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-24 10:17 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-23 18:13 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-23 09:32 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-23 19:06 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-03-23 13:23 -0400
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 10:33 -0700
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Guillaume <message@bottle.org> - 2020-03-23 18:34 +0100
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-23 18:18 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ike Naar <ike@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2020-03-23 22:29 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-23 23:13 +0000
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2020-03-22 15:17 +0000
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2020-03-22 16:16 +0000
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 07:22 -0700
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements Guillaume <message@bottle.org> - 2020-03-25 15:10 +0100
              Re: Comma operator in for() statements Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-03-25 15:18 +0000
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 16:27 +0000
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 15:07 -0400
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 11:33 -0700
      Re: Comma operator in for() statements Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2020-03-24 20:25 +0300
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-24 23:25 +0000
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-25 01:55 +0000
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-25 11:01 +0000
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2020-03-25 14:59 +0300
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-03-27 07:42 -0700
              Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-27 14:51 +0000
                Re: Comma operator in for() statements Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-04-02 19:20 -0700
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-24 20:01 -0400
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-25 02:05 +0000
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-25 15:13 +0000
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2020-03-25 15:05 +0300
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-25 10:04 -0400
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-22 14:49 +0100
  Re: Comma operator in for() statements Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-03-22 09:24 -0600
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-22 14:51 -0700
      Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 20:13 -0400
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-23 12:16 -0700
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 13:16 -0700
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-23 17:16 -0400
            Re: Comma operator in for() statements scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-03-23 22:40 +0000
  Re: Comma operator in for() statements Guillaume <message@bottle.org> - 2020-03-22 17:31 +0100
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-22 12:28 -0700
      Re: Comma operator in for() statements James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 15:35 -0400
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-22 13:43 -0700
  Re: Comma operator in for() statements Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2020-03-22 13:50 -0500
    Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 19:25 +0000
      Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-22 21:52 +0100
        Re: Comma operator in for() statements Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-22 21:15 +0000
          Re: Comma operator in for() statements David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-23 09:17 +0100
  Re: Comma operator in for() statements Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-03-27 08:02 -0700

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