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Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> writes:
> Surely the solution is for the object representing Joe to know when
> *it* can safely destroy *itself*? This implies (at least to me) some
> sort of reference counting in the Joe object. But at least everything
> is centralised within Joe, rather than scattered about around the
> application program.

How can the object know when a new reference is created, other than by
scattering refcount increments all over the program?  As Anton says, you
even have to increment the refcount after a DUP of the address.

> This is how the GC object in .Net works. It doesn't destroy anything.
> It's asks the objects themselves to destroy themselves if they can
> (all objects have a "die" method). 

That's called a "finalizer" or "destructor" and such things can be
called by a GC, though there are pitfalls.

> In .net though there's also some magic going on behind the scenes;
> objects (somehow) know when they're no longer in scope and will kill
> themselves when the GC touches them.  I.e. they can still kill
> themselves correctly, even if not explictly set to nothing or sent a
> .die message.

That doesn't sound like magic, if .net uses ref counting.  The compiler
just generates some code to decrement the object's refcount when it
leaves scope.  C++ and Python also do that.  They can't outright kill
the object because some pointer to it might have been created while the
object was in scope.  Alternatively the compiler could (sometimes)
statically notice if no pointers to the object have been created, and
kill the object on scope exit in that case, or even kill the object when
the last pointer to it goes out of scope.  I think these type of schemes
are examples of "region inference".

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Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-02 08:41 -0700
  Re: Windows8 Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 11:12 -0700
  Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-06 09:05 -0800
    Re: Windows8 Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-12 07:10 -0800
      Re: Windows8 stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-12 17:27 +0000
    Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-21 17:48 -0800
  Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-07 20:44 -0800
  Re: Windows8 Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-12 07:15 -0800
    Re: Windows8 Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-11-12 07:59 -0800
    Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-12 07:55 -1000
      Re: Windows8 "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-11-14 20:04 +1100
        Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-14 17:01 +0000
          Re: Windows8 "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-11-18 11:14 +1100
            Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-19 14:25 +0000
              Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 08:09 -1000
                Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-20 09:55 +0000
                Re: Windows8 mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-11-25 10:56 +0200
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-25 16:46 +0100
            Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 16:21 -0500
              Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 13:46 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 17:05 -0500
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 12:14 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 14:30 -0800
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 12:53 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 17:44 -0500
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 14:52 -0800
                GC (was Re: Windows8) Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-26 11:44 -0500
                Re: GC Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-26 11:44 -0800
                Re: GC Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-28 06:35 -0500
                Re: GC Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-29 11:58 -0800
                Re: GC albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-30 01:46 +0000
                Re: GC Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-29 21:14 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 14:42 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 17:56 -0500
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 15:14 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 18:45 -0500
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 14:18 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 16:18 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 19:01 -0500
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 12:58 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-20 02:23 +0100
                Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-20 10:48 +0000
                Re: Windows8 Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-20 07:56 -0800
                Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-21 15:03 +0000
                Re: Windows8 Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-23 05:58 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 02:13 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-20 08:57 -0800
                Re: Windows8 "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2012-11-20 16:56 -0500
                Re: Windows8 mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-11-25 11:20 +0200
    Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-14 16:36 -0500
      Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 12:12 -1000
        Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-14 17:46 -0500
          Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 13:12 -1000
            Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-14 18:12 -0800
            Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 13:55 -0500
              Re: Windows8 RR <freedomspyder@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 16:03 -0800
                Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 21:54 -0500
                Re: Windows8 RR <freedomspyder@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 19:26 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-15 19:27 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-16 17:45 +0100
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-16 09:10 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-16 22:34 +0100
                Re: Windows8 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2012-11-16 18:06 +0000
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-16 11:09 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Spam@ControlQ.com - 2012-11-16 15:18 -0500
        Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-15 00:19 -0800
          Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 22:55 -1000
          Re: Windows8 albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-15 12:20 +0000
            Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-15 08:32 -0800
            Re: Windows8 kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2012-11-16 04:51 -0600
              Re: Windows8 stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-16 13:46 +0000
              Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-16 08:12 -0800
  Re: Windows8 the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2012-11-29 00:16 -0800

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