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Re: Jumplist

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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

> knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull.  These jumplist
>>>> were even on those files in the Program folders.
>>>>
>>>> With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on
>>>> the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the
>>>> icons in the Start Menu.  (Click square on left end of taskbar.)
>>>>
>>>> Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them
>>> 
>>> There are 2 types of entries in jumplists:
>>> - Tasks
>>> - Recent files
>>> - Pinned
>>> 
>>> When was your "lastest update to Windows 10"?  I have updates disabled
>>> until I get motivated, have the time to save an image backup, the time
>>> to do the updates, and the time to test the updates (and possibly the
>>> time to restore from the image backup to undo an update rather than try
>>> to rollback).
>>> 
>>> I have "Show recently opened items in Jump Lists on Start or the taskbar
>>> in File Explorer Quick Access" disabled.  Do you have it enabled?  In
>>> Settings, go to Personalization -> Start.
>>
>> I have used jumplist since I upgraded to Windows 8 many years ago.  The 
>> jump list were never manually backed up, but were there after every 
>> update.  They were there for the Program files and the short cuts to 
>> those program files.
>> 
>> Now the only jumplist are on the shortcuts on the Toolbar. 
>> Interestingly on a different computer that I add all of the updates as 
>> available the Shortcuts on the Start Menu are still there.   That is 
>> what got me to thinking there was a variable somewhere that had been reset.
>> 
>> It is one of those things that has always "Just been there".  They were 
>> they until one of the most recent updates.  I believe they went AWOL 
>> about the update that was installed on March 31, 2025
> 
> When you right-click on a taskbar icon (not in a toolbar in the taskbar,
> but in the taskbar proper), or right-click on a Start Menu icon (in its
> programs list), do you not get anything?  No popup appears when
> right-clicking on them?  Even if you use something like CCleaner that
> will clear jump lists, those are for the Recent lists.  The Tasks lists
> should still be there, like Standard, Scientific, Graphing, Programmer,
> and Date Calulcation under Tasks for Calculator
> 
> By "toolbar" did you mean the Windows Taskbar?  Toolbars added to the
> taskbar don't have jump lists.  When you right-click on icons in
> toolbars added to the taskbar, you get the context menu you see when you
> right-click on an .exe in File Explorer's right-pane.  For example, if
> you had a shortcut for Calculator in a toolbar added to the taskbar,
> right-clicking on it brings up the same context menu that you see when
> right-clicking on calc.exe in C:\Windows\System32 in File Explorer.  For
> icons in the taskbar (for opened or pinned programs), right-click brings
> up the jump list.  For taskbar icons, you say you still get jump lists.
> 
> When right-click on Start menu icons (not talking about icons in the
> tile area, but icons in the Start Menu itself), there are no longer any
> jump lists?  As an example test, right-click on the Calculator entry in
> program list of the Start Menu.  Nothing pops up?
> 
> If you add the Calculator to the tile section of the Start Menu,
> right-clicking brings up the same jump list as for Calculator in the
> program list of Start Menu.
> 
> You say you had jump lists for programs (would that be .exe files?)
> listed in File Explorer.  I have never had any jump lists there.
> Right-clicking on a file in File Explorer always brought up the context
> menu assigned to file objects, not a jump list.  A modified context menu
> is shown in some special folders when right-clicking on a object in
> those folders, like using shell:appsfolder (enter in the address bar of
> File Explorer) to look at the app links, and right-clicking on those.
> 
> In a jump list on a program icon in the taskbar or Start Menu, any
> actions listed there were added by the program during its install.  If
> the "install" were merely copying files, the registry was not updated to
> add task entries to a jump list.  If it is just the Recent section of
> the jump list that is missing, maybe the MRUs (Most Recently Used) lists
> in the registry got deleted, like when using a cleanup tool.  Or, you
> configured Windows not to remember recent entries.  If it just the the
> Recent section of jump lists that disappeared, did you yet check the
> Settings -> Personalization -> Start config dialog mentioned before to
> make sure the "Show recently opened" option is enabled?
> 
> Since the update, and whether it told you or not, have you rebooted your
> computer to have Windows shutdown and restart?  Some users leave their
> computer running 24x7 while some shutdown (not hibernate, but shutdown)
> when done using their computer.  You don't want to hibernate your
> computer, but restart it to make sure any pending renames, moves, or
> deletes get performed for an update.  Updates can leave a fileset for a
> component out of sync where you are trying to use old files with new
> files.  The old files get deleted on the Windows restart forcing use of
> the new files.  That is the purpose of the PendingFileRenameOperations
> data item under HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager
> key in the registry: on a restart, actions defined there are committed
> on a startup of Windows.  An entry listed twice is rename, with no
> second filename is a delete, and a different path is a move.  But the
> actions defined in that registry key don't happen until and during a
> startup of Windows.  Just because Microsoft doesn't tell you to reboot
> doesn't mean you shouldn't.  Sometimes devs are wrong that a mixed
> fileset is okay.

Oh, if it just the Recent portion of jump lists that have disappeared,
and assuming you don't use a cleanup tool that clears recent lists, how
many recent entries are configured in Windows to retain?

In the registry:
- Go to HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced.
- What is the value of the JumpListItems_Maximum  data item, if defined.

JumpListItems_Maximum may not be defined, in which case the default of
10 is used, or maybe it is 12.

Tweakers, like WinAero Tweaker, let you change the Recent count instead
of you going into the registry.  Here is their article on it:

https://winaero.com/change-the-number-of-items-in-jump-lists-in-windows-10/

They have another article on the "Show recently opened" setting that
I've mentioned:

https://winaero.com/how-to-clear-jump-lists-in-windows-10/

The way you described the problem:
- Nothing appears as a popup when you right-click on an object eligible   
  for a jump list in the Start Menu.  
- Something appears when you right-click on an object's icon in the 
  Taskbar (not a toolbar in the Taskbar, but the open/pinned icon 
  section of the Taskbar).
The same jump list should be shown for both.

In the address bar of File Explorer, enter:

shell:recent\AutomaticDestinations
shell:recent\CustomDestinations

Are those folders empty?

You mentioned seeing jump lists in File Explorer, but I don't know where
you are talking about.  You mentioned Quick Access, and that sounds like
the Quick Access *toolbar* added to the Windows Taskbar (used to be the
called QuickLaunch toolbar).

https://filestore.community.support.microsoft.com/api/images/ec9e94e8-bb67-47ef-8396-dac5545c59d4?upload=true&fud_access=wJJIheezUklbAN2ppeDns8cDNpYs3nCYjgitr%2BfFBh2dqlqMuW7np3F6Utp%2FKMltnRRYFtVjOMO5tpbpW9UyRAwvLeec5emAPixgq9ta07Dgnp2aq5eJbnfd%2FU3qhn54RhIhZB7897F1qdjKFgM%2B4QpyWh%2B9emXgCmwkEi92%2Bp9TbjHntSPU16cqLCyIwkRUFmWoq1CWgwJTAEngucqPq7WuankcrTlK%2FT6crITmqJwOTVXZ9I%2BmJhFWSqymA5RFrkcHQslaVgVupnOfBfcxz7Vqxsulg%2BUfph1d3oxGPbWFUkC1V4H6ASnmwqt3al0kslMQhYOIfLH39F05EcEax56o%2Fa6qdHH%2BiCZKp0TZaTziBvDZwqYTyaUDlOqvK18MZX%2Bp19MN2hDJimTXBtD63WFpO%2Fk9t5XVXPFl3pjUpx4%3D

Toolbars added to the taskbar get the same right-click *context* menu as
when right-clicking on any file in File Explorer.  Right-click on blank
space in the Taskbar.  What is listed under Toolbars?

The Quick Access *Toolbar* in File Explorer (at the left-side of the
title bar) is a separate animal.  Use the View tab to show the Options
icon to click on it.  In the Folder Options dialog under the General tab
and under its Privacy section, is "Show recently used" for files and
"Show frequently" for folders enabled or not?  Those are MRUs (Most
Recently Used) history lists, not jump lists, yet it sounded like you
thought they were jump lists.  Tweakers can clear that recent history.
Those options won't stay enabled if you don't have the "Show recently
opened items" option set for the Start Menu already mentioned.

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  Re: Jumplist VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-13 16:21 -0500
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