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Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics

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Date 2017-06-20 07:32 -0700
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Subject Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics
From Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com>

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On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:33:37 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 6/19/17 6/19/17   4:05 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 12:27:29 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> >> On 6/19/17 6/19/17 - 10:04 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> >>> HOWEVER, when we compare your lab results to my lab results we will see they
> >>> are NOT THE SAME because of TIME DILATION.  The length of a second in your
> >>> lab is longer than the length of a second in my lab.
> >>
> >> This is wrong. You are confused. That is NOT what "time dilation" actually is.
> > 
> > It is what Einstein says it is, and it is what many many experiments say it is. 
> 
> RIGHT. And all those agree with me, not you. But since you are unable to read 
> accurately, you have confused yourself.

Another personal attack.  All the time dilation experiments agree with what I've been saying.  I quote from them and you just argue that the quotes do not mean what they say, or that the scientists are deliberately misleading the public because the public is too dumb to understand reality.

> 
> >> You should READ HIS PAPER (because it is QUITE CLEAR that you have never
> >> actually done so). Or better, study a modern textbook on SR, because Einstein's
> >> article is complex and not intended for neophytes like yourself.
> > 
> > I've read his paper many times. 
> 
> You need to UNDERSTAND it. You CLEARLY do not:
> 
> > There are parts I do not understand, 
> 
> YEP, essentially all of it. Because you have missed his basic points:
>   1. The (local) laws of physics are the same in every (locally)
>      inertial frame.
>   2. Light propagates in vacuum isotropically with speed c in EVERY
>      inertial frame.
>   3. The Lorentz transforms form a group.
>   4. That group is (a subgroup of) the symmetry group of Maxwell's
>      equations.
>   5. This means that we can apply Maxwell's equations in the (locally)
>      inertial frame of our laboratory, rather than having to GUESS
>      what the "absolute frame of the ether" is and applying them there.
> 
> 	Note in particular #1 is just his first postulate, and #2
> 	follows immediately from #1, because light propagation
> 	obeys a law of physics.

#2 is okay as stated, but you interpret it to say something it does NOT say.  Einstein made it clear that, as you phrase it, "Light propagates in vacuum isotropically with speed c in EVERY inertial frame."

He was saying that light is EMITTED at c in EVERY inertial frame.  You and a lot of mathematician-physicists somehow nonsensically translate that to mean that light is also OBSERVED to be c in EVERY inertial frame.  Your translation is absurd.

> 
> > what I do not understand is just how Einstein ARRIVED at his understanding of Time Dilation.
> 
> He did not fully arrive at an understanding of "time dilation" until after the 
> publication of GR in 1916.

That is obviously not true.  Using Einstein's 1905 paper, Paul Langevin came up with the "twin paradox" in 1911.  It involves a full understanding of Time Dilation.  

All that GR did was add a second cause for Time Dilation - gravity.  

> 
> 	Unsurprisingly, the first 1905 paper bout SR did not fully
> 	reflect many of the subtleties of the theory. But TODAY we
> 	do understand them. Well, those of us who have actually
> 	STUDIED the theory and understood it (this excludes you).
> 
> YOUR "understanding" of "time dilation" is just plain wrong -- it is NOT "time 
> advancing more slowly" or "clocks ticking more slowly", it is a GEOMETRICAL 
> PROJECTION inherent in the measurement process.

That is just memorized gibberish.  Many experiments show that clocks tick more slowly when they are moving AND when they are closer to a source of gravity.  You just deny reality and argue it cannot happen they way the experiments show it happens.

The GPS satellites show HOW clocks will tick at different rates.
The NIST experiment showed how clocks will tick at different rates.
The Hafele-Keating experiment showed HOW clocks will tick at different rates.
The TAI clock synchronization problem shows how clocks tick at different rates.

The Hafele-Keating experiment has been performed by others many times with the same results showing how clocks tick at different rates.
The NIST experiment has been performed by others many times with the same results showing how clocks tick at different rates.

And you just pretend it never happened or doesn't mean what all the experimenters say it means.

> 
> >> 	Einstein got this wrong in 1905, because he did not know
> >> 	that the earth is NOT spherical.
> > 
> > The fact that the earth is NOT spherical has nothing to do with anything. 
> 
> Yes, it does. Again you merely display your ignorance.

Another personal attack.

> 
> The non-sphericity of the earth and its gravity EXACTLY cancel the "time 
> dilation" one calculates in SR. This falsifies his statement "a balance-clock at 
> the equator must go more slowly, by a very small amount, than a precisely 
> similar clock situated at one of the poles under otherwise identical 
> conditions". TODAY we KNOW such clocks remain in sync with each other (c.f. the 
> GPS, and clocks on the geoid). Einstein was a prisoner of his time, but YOU have 
> no excuse.
> 
> Tom Roberts

Clocks on GPS satellites have to be adjusted for BOTH velocity time dilation AND gravity time dilation.  The clocks at the equator and at the poles and at every point in-between also have to be adjusted for BOTH.  So Einstein was RIGHT, but in 1905 he was only looking at velocity time dilation. 

This is very easy to understand.  If you would just stop making personal attacks and look at the FACTS, you should be able to understand it.

Ed

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