Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic

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Date	2018-05-15 05:44 -0700
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Subject	Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic
From	WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de>

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Am Montag, 14. Mai 2018 19:20:07 UTC+2 schrieb Alan Smaill:
> WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> writes:
> 
> > Am Montag, 14. Mai 2018 14:30:06 UTC+2 schrieb Alan Smaill:
> >> WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> writes:
> >
> >
> >> > Brouwer denied uncountable sets. That means he denied that Cantor's
> >> > "proof" is valid.
> >> 
> >> Brouwer denied that Cantor's argument shows the existence of
> >> uncountable sets.
> >
> > He denied that real numbers can be defined by infinite digit
> > sequences.
> 
> My take is the more accurate.

"we can never imagine the arbitrary infinite binary fractions as finished", i.e., as defining something.
> 
> > Examples of (according to Brouwer) meaningless word play are the
> > second number class and the higher power sets.
> 
> Yes, of course.
> 
> *But* you started out by claiming that the Original Sin was the
> acceptance of completed infinites, and claimed that Brouwer supported
> you on this.  He clearly did not.

He used omega, but not as completed.
> 
> >>  He did not claim, as you do, that classical
> >> mathematics is inconsistent.
> >
> > The assumption that real numbers can be defined by infinite digit
> > sequences is inconsistent.
> 
> That is *your* claim, not Brouwer's. Or do you find Brouwer saying this?

"We can create in mathematics nothing but finite sequences, and further, on the ground of the clearly conceived "and so on", the order type omega, but only consisting of equal elements, so that we can never imagine the arbitrary infinite binary fractions as finished." i.e., defining something.
> 
> >> However, as the quote shows, he was perfectly happy to accept
> >> the existence as a unit (collection) the ordinal omega.
> >
> > That is merely another name for potential infinity, since no higher
> > infinities are possible.
> 
> No, read what was said.

I did.
> 
> If you think that acceptance of any completed infinity entails
> acceptance of higher infinities,

I do not. But acceptance of any completed infinity entails already contradictions.
> 

> > Infinity can be named by what you like: omega, aleph_0, infinity.
> 
> "A basal mathematical intuition": this is not about the *name*, that you
> think so important and magical, but about the nature of mathematical
> entities themselves.

Completed infinity is not only a contradictio in adjecto but also in mathematics:

What means "all natural numbers"? Does it mean to take only those natural numbers which have the characteristic property of every natural number, i.e., to be followed by infinitely many natural numbers? Then you don't get all of them because always infinitely many are remaining. Or do you take all natural numbers with no exception? Then you include some which are not followed by infinitely many and hence are not natural numbers because they are lacking the characteristic property of every natural number. That means you get more than all natural numbers.

Regards, WM

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The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:20 -0700
  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-11 19:33 +0000
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 13:16 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:48 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 18:31 -0700
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          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 18:49 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-12 00:59 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 02:20 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:43 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 14:09 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:40 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-12 20:48 +0000
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 14:50 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-13 01:00 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:10 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-14 17:33 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 21:09 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-15 19:19 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:50 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-15 21:34 -0500
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 09:10 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 09:15 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 05:33 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-12 19:02 -0400
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 01:38 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 21:40 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-15 05:22 -0400
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 01:31 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-13 03:51 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 05:18 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-13 06:59 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-13 11:02 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 05:37 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-13 21:57 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-14 04:44 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-14 13:29 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-14 07:42 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 09:36 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 09:42 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-14 18:29 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 12:03 -0700
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                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 12:10 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:44 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-14 18:16 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 05:44 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 06:38 -0700
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      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 09:14 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 10:07 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 09:26 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 11:18 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:26 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-16 14:06 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-16 15:53 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-16 19:07 -0400
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 01:17 -0700
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                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 17:40 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 11:06 -0700
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-12 01:05 -0700
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:57 -0700
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      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 11:08 -0700
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                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 13:55 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 14:09 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 14:19 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 14:23 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 14:37 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zeit Geist <Tucsondrew@me.com> - 2018-05-18 14:33 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-19 04:58 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:28 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:34 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:36 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:46 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zeit Geist <Tucsondrew@me.com> - 2018-05-19 09:00 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-20 03:21 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-19 02:01 +0200
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-21 16:40 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-21 09:06 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-21 13:52 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-22 05:45 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 08:27 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-22 13:29 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 13:43 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 13:52 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-23 06:06 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zeit Geist <Tucsondrew@me.com> - 2018-05-22 17:30 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-23 06:06 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-05-15 17:14 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-16 11:26 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-05-16 16:35 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-17 05:03 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 05:33 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-17 09:31 -0700
  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 12:40 -0500
  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 22:36 -0700
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-14 04:49 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 01:34 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-17 05:08 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:03 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:06 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:19 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:26 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:30 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:29 -0700

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