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Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks?

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Date 2017-08-31 14:34 -0700
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks?
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 5:54:28 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > > Tom Roberts wrote:
> >
> > > > The on-board Cs133 oscillator ticks at 9,192,631,770 Hz -- that's
> > > > what these words mean. This oscillator IS NOT affected by its
> > > > velocity (relative to anything else) or its gravitational potential
> > > > (relative to anything else), because IT DEFINES WHAT "1 SECOND"
> > > > MEANS IN THE SATELLITE.
> > >
> > > ISTM that you are merely performing high-level nitpicking here.  From the
> > > perspective of an observer who is stationary (or almost stationary by
> > > comparison) in the ECI frame, the atomic clocks aboard GPS satellites *are*
> > > affected by their motion relative to the observer (and in a different way by
> > > their greater distance from Earth’s center of mass).
> >
> > The issue is far more than just "high-level nitpicking".
> >
> > It lies at the heart of popular misunderstandings of the meaning of relativity.
> 
> How can you measure time with clocks made by man when Time is not made
> by man?



Now if Time itself wanted to measure the twins, it would only use one clock.

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Why synchronize atomic clocks? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 04:36 -0700
  Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-28 05:02 -0700
    Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 21:51 +0200
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 01:26 -0700
  Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 07:16 -0700
    Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-29 11:45 -0500
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-30 00:54 +0200
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 16:31 -0700
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-29 19:38 -0700
            Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-31 14:34 -0700
              Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-01 12:45 -0700
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-30 05:47 +0200
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-31 13:47 -0500
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-08-31 20:12 +0000
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-01 04:04 +0200
            Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 21:01 -0700
              Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 02:12 -0700
                Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 04:17 -0700
            Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-08-31 21:34 -0700
              Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-01 11:41 -0500
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-01 11:17 -0500
            Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 09:43 -0700
            Relativity and physical reality (was: Why synchronize atomic clocks?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-01 20:10 +0200
              Re: Relativity and physical reality (was: Why synchronize atomic clocks?) Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 12:30 -0700
                Re: Relativity and physical reality (was: Why synchronize atomic clocks?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-02 01:29 +0200
                Re: Relativity and physical reality (was: Why synchronize atomic clocks?) Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 16:52 -0700
                Re: Relativity and physical reality Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-02 02:27 +0200
                Re: Relativity and physical reality Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 02:22 -0700
              Re: Relativity and physical reality Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-01 19:41 -0500
                Re: Relativity and physical reality mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-02 01:01 -0700
                Re: Relativity and physical reality Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-02 19:30 +0200
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:23 -0700
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-03 02:35 -0700
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-30 07:28 -0700
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 09:47 -0700
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 00:03 +0200
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 00:22 +0200
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-30 17:58 -0500
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 13:56 -0700
            Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-31 23:17 -0700
              Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 08:45 -0700
            Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-01 11:54 -0500
              Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-01 12:39 -0700
                Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 12:51 -0700
              Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-09-04 19:26 -0700
                Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-05 11:06 -0500
                Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-09-05 22:53 -0700
                Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-09-06 05:25 -0700
                Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 05:40 -0700
                Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-06 17:22 -0500
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 01:24 -0700
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-06 06:42 -0700
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 07:04 -0700
  Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-28 07:49 -0700
  Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-28 08:12 -0700
    Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-28 09:11 -0700
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:15 -0500
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-28 09:44 -0700
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:52 -0500
    Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 23:59 -0700
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-09-01 14:01 -0700
        Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-09-02 00:20 +0200
          Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-09-02 00:21 +0200
  Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-29 17:11 +1000
  Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-29 18:38 -0500
    Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-31 23:38 -0700
      Re: Why synchronize atomic clocks? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-01 20:09 -0500

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