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| From | Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy |
| Subject | How to travel in time |
| Date | 2016-12-31 02:38 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20161230b@crcomp.net> (permalink) |
| References | <5866B352.6F63@ix.netcom.com> <ecoi0bFsa08U1@mid.individual.net> |
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Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 31/12/2016 6:19 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> lets say
>> you travel back in time
>> in a time machine and your
>> time machine lands on your
>> grandfather and kills him...
>>
>>
>> Time Travel Is Not Possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any answers you give saying time travel is possible would be...absurd answers.
>>
>>
>>
>> i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in unproven paralell universes
>> where your father and grandfather still exist...
>>
>>
>>
>> i don't want to hear it!
>>
>
> Why not? You're effectively saying that the Universe has a particular
> form, one in which your proof works. That's akin to a circular argument.
> Maybe the universe does have such a form, and time travel really is
> impossible, but you have no proof of that.
"The Theory and Practice of Time Travel" (Niven) posits that you can not
change the past. That depends.
Changing the objective past, as various theories of history see it, is a
tough nut to crack. But you can still take software/data back to an
objective past state and introduce a change to it.
In regards to the subjective past, people can suppress/repress memories
to effectively change their own past. They can even use No Contact [1]
if necessary (it works even if their grandfather isn't a narcissist)
along with suppression/repression to kill their own grandfather in their
own mind.
How to travel into the future:
* Arrow of Time
"Every second of every day I travel one second into the future."
- Ed Lake
* Asymmetric travel enables you to enter a state of suspended animation
and travel into the future at an accelerated rate. (Niven talks about
this.)
How to travel into the past:
* The further out you look out into firmament the further back you see.
"seeing into the past without the ability to change it." - HGW
* Software offers many methods to travel to a past state: Windows system
recovery, database rollbacks, git/cvs rollbacks.
* Organic memory allows you to travel back into your past to relive
sensory input.
* Repression/suppression allows you to change your subjective past.
* History allows people to travel back into the past to experience
limited sensory input (eg the sight and sounds of the past).
Note.
1. http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/no-contact-rule/
Thank you,
--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU
Had we world enough, and time,
This coyness, lady, were no crime.
- Andrew Marvell
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Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 11:19 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:13 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:20 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-30 21:30 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:25 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:28 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 13:03 +1100
How to travel in time Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-31 02:38 +0000
Re: How to travel in time William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 20:48 -0800
Re: How to travel in time Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 00:02 -0600
Re: How to travel in time Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-01-02 13:02 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:21 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 15:32 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 23:05 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 19:07 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 10:51 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 11:44 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 17:26 -0800
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Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:48 -0800
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Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 11:34 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:14 -0800
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 17:12 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-11 22:40 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 00:37 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800
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Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:56 -0800
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