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Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C?

From raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos)
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C?
Date 2015-08-22 14:21 +0000
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jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:

> Le 14/08/2015 09:33, Gordon Burditt a écrit :
> > (read the C standard's description of fseek() and ftell())
> > which may not even*HAVE*  a byte-granular file size (example:  CP/M
> > 1.4, where file sizes were in multiples of 128 bytes on IBM
> > single-density floppies)
> 
> It *could* be interesting to recall that CP/M doesn't exist since at 
> least 35 years. Concerning the IBM single density floppies... well that 
> is the same situation. 36 years old.

Erm. 35 years ago was 1980. I assure you that CP/M was alive and well
until the late 1980s, on the *hack*spit* Amstrad CPC at least. Children
who didn't grow up until the 2000s seem to think that it was MS-DOS
which killed CP/M, but the final straw was really another Microsoft
product, MSX. Not that that was any better...

> Of course for software written TODAY it is of paramount importance to be 
> compatible with CP/M and single density floppies.
> 
> This is an example of the "portability at any cost" attitude.

No, it's an example of "not everything in this world is required to
conform to your limited knowledge of it".

Richard

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  Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-12 23:52 +0100
    Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? fl <rxjwg98@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:13 -0700
      Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-13 00:33 +0100
      Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-13 00:06 +0000
        Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-13 20:50 +0000
          Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-17 13:38 -0500
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-17 14:48 -0400
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-18 11:10 +0100
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-18 15:01 +0100
      Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? gordonb.8n5lc@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-08-14 02:33 -0500
        Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-14 10:06 +0200
          Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-14 09:14 +0100
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-14 21:27 +0000
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 09:52 +0200
          Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-08-15 01:17 +0100
            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 10:27 +0200
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-15 18:09 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 22:05 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 19:17 -0700
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 13:50 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-15 21:37 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 23:33 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-15 22:58 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-16 00:08 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-16 00:40 +0100
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-16 02:23 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 19:37 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-16 15:35 +0000
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-16 10:31 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 19:21 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-08-15 23:31 +0200
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-16 03:38 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-16 17:29 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-17 01:46 -0700
                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-17 09:03 -0700
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-08-16 03:23 +0100
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-08-17 00:56 -0700
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            Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-15 11:31 +0100
              Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-15 14:01 -0700
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                Re: How to read a data file whose size is unknown in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-16 17:40 -0700
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