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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

Message-ID <55D2C0DE.4CE8@ix.netcom.com> (permalink)
Date 2015-08-17 22:21 -0700
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups alt.atheism, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.arts.science.fiction
Subject Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
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benj wrote:
> 
> On 08/16/2015 04:37 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:56:46 -0700, The Starmaker
> > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:05:31 -0500, gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/15/2015 9:43 AM, talishi wrote:
> >>>>> niunian wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2015-08-15 06:36 PM, talishi wrote:
> >>>>>>> niunian wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Old Testament has at least two Gods. The first God is the God
> >>>>>>>> of creation who is the God of Eden. The second God is the God of
> >>>>>>>> Adam and Eve after they have sinned. The first God is the God of
> >>>>>>>> living, the giver of life who is always good. The second God is the
> >>>>>>>> God of sin who is always vengeful and evil. They are not the same
> >>>>>>>> God. The sin has introduced or manufactured another God in the
> >>>>>>>> place of the previous creation God.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Are we talking about philosophy or are we talking about science? Make up
> >>>>>> your mind.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We are talking about a unique form of literature that historically (and
> >>>>> even in the present day) translated to terrible physical action such as
> >>>>> war and beheadings.  Certainly no one ever took "Dune" as scripture and
> >>>>> went out trying to kill "Harkonnens".
> >>>>
> >>>> you don't "know" that.
> >>>> Lots of people believe in "Dune" especially Atheists.
> >>>
> >>> well as an atheist I can tell you that it was a damn good book, but
> >>> atheists dont believe in fairy tale books like theists do.
> >>
> >> That's not true...
> >> 'the scientific community' who
> >> the majority are atheist..
> >> read fairy tales and science fiction.
> >> (which are both fabricated fiction stories)
> >>
> >> How many times have the 'scientific community' used words
> >>from "Goldilocks" fairy tales, or H.G. Wells tales?
> >>
> >> 'the scientific community' live and breathe fairy tales.
> >>
> >> They believe that life exist on other planets. Where did they get that idea from?
> >>
> >> "flying saucers"? just fairy tales.
> >>
> >> Life on Mars?? They won't quit until you shoot them!
> >>
> >>
> >> The only reason the 'scientific community' believes in life in
> >> other planets is because of those science fiction fairy tales they read...
> >> there is no other logical reason to believe in life on other planets.
> >>
> >> "This porridge is too hot!" she exclaimed.
> >>
> >> So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.
> >>
> >> "This porridge is too cold," she said
> >>
> >> So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.
> >>
> >> "Ahhh, this porridge is just right,"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, I'm going to break the atheist bubble....there are no Martians....never was. It's just a fairy tale.
> >
> >
> > no response even needed.
> 
> While usually when starfaker is pretending to talk science but is
> babbling on in his lib ignorance, no response is even needed, but in
> this case it is instructive to respond and explain.
> 
> While this is not really necessary, it's easy to prove Starfaker a
> moron. Simply take his statement "there are no Martians.... never was".
> 
> (And Starfaker you ignorant Lib an elipsis consists of three not four
> periods and has a space at the beginning. Sheesh. I hope you never try
> to make me a "star".)
> 
> So just HOW does he know this? Clearly, the only way he can know this
> (which amazingly includes all other dimensions and things we haven't
> even thought or discovered yet AS WELL AS the entire history of the
> planet Mars) is to use his superpowers to "remote view" it all to give
> us this assurance. Nuff said. He'd save bandwidth by simply using the
> "short form" = "I'm a moron!"
> 
> So does the scientific community believe life exists on other planets?
> Well being scientists and not media whores, They say something like:
> What do you mean by "life" and what do you mean by planet? By "life" do
> you mean humanoids like us, or some kind of low bacteria. When NASA
> talks about finding "life on other planets" (Like Mars) They are ALWAYS
> talking about bacteria.

NASA would NEVER say, "We are not looking for life, we're looking for bacteria!"


Because nobody would give them a penny. 




> And often (but not always) talking about some
> planet orbiting some other star than our own. In other words some
> speculation about what is going on on the other side of the universe
> which like all cosmology, without "remote viewing", we can never
> directly observe.


What is all this talk about "remote viewing"? Is it Shirley Maclaine week????



> 
> But this is because Humanoid life other than our own is a political
> topic now just as it was in the days when the Catholic Church ran
> everything. In science it is a "forbidden topic". A paper about it no
> matter how well documented will NEVER be published in a major journal
> and your career will speedily head for termination or stagnation at
> best. Everybody knows this.
> 
> What isn't so widely considered is WHY. And the reason is a huge
> government cover-up on the subject of UFOs that has been going one since
> WWII at least. Don't believe it? It's all documented HERE:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-Chronology/dp/1571743170/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1439792858&sr=8-3&keywords=Richard+M%2F+Dolan


Documented on Amazon??? a book store?  2 cents for the book, $5.00 for shipping?



Why is there only one seeder?
https://thepiratebay.la/torrent/7619400/UFOs_and_the_National_Security_State_-_Cover-Up_-_2_Volumes_MOBI


Why would you point to a link to a book out of a billion seeders, there is only one seeder???


If it is not worth downloading for free, it's not worth buying.



You need to remote view torrents before you remove view amazon.




> 
> in yawn inducing gruesome detail. As usual proof that there is a
> cover-up is FAR easier than proving what the cover-up is about. So we'll
> leave the question of the UFO occupants for lack of proof. But The fact
> that the cover-up has gone on for so long explains why the topic is
> "forbidden".
> 
> And this leaves us with one final question: Should scientist believe in
> the existence of humanoid life somewhere in the universe (Note planet
> here includes those around ANY stars not just our own) The answer based
> upon probability alone has to be YES. Why? Because of the vast NUMBER of
> even galaxies let alone stars. No thinking scientist or even
> self-respecting atheist can DENY the enormously high probability that
> there are doubtless MANY other situations out there similar enough to or
> own as to make such an event as formation of similar life virtually
> beyond doubt! Only the ego of the Lib factions of humanity have the ego
> to think they they are so special, physics quit and broke the mold after
> they were formed. The probably of humanoid life on other planets, even
> humanoid life far more advanced than our own, is FAR more likely than
> the statistics supporting the idea that we "evolved" from lower animals,
> apes in particular.
> 
> The bottom line is that other humanoid life in the universe is virtually
> beyond doubt to anyone with even a modest knowledge of science and math.
> It is clear that government and it's handmaiden the media, has been
> spoon feeding (and sometimes force feeding) the "bacteria story" to
> everyone as a cover-up of credible UFO phenomena being observed
> everywhere over a great many years. It's all as simple as this.
> 
> I now turn you back to all the strategic writers (part of the cover-up)
> who will all scream "kook" and "insane" as if it were some kind of
> scientific proof of something. Note that like Starfaker, they are all
> "writers" and know nothing of science. Their main areas of expertise
> being lies and fantasy.



Point to one lie you believe I made? I mean just ...one. And just in case yous don't know the meaning of...one, it's half of two.







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and there is nothing to...cover-up.

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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 03:36 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:48 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 07:43 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 18:36 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 00:56 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:08 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:09 -0700
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                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:04 -0400
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                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 22:32 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:08 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:46 -0400
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              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:07 -0400
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                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:27 -0400
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                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:34 -0400
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