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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

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W.TS. wrote:
> 
> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in
> news:mqg49f$975$10@dont-email.me:
> 
> > On 8/12/2015 10:39 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:57:28 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2015-08-12 05:13 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different
> >>>>>>>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord
> >>>>>>>>> and center of a person's life. One can live his life without a
> >>>>>>>>> stamp. One can not live his life without the lord and center
> >>>>>>>>> of his life.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because
> >>>>>>>> not everyone thinks that way.  I have no lord.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living
> >>>>>>> and how a person lives his life determines without exception
> >>>>>>> what kind of God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind
> >>>>>>> of "stamp". God is the center of a person's life. The person,
> >>>>>>> regardless being aware of the concept and meaning of God/god or
> >>>>>>> not, will have a center of his/her life as long as he/she is
> >>>>>>> alive. This is a fact of life for everybody regardless being
> >>>>>>> religious or not.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If one
> >>>>>>>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the
> >>>>>>>>> lord in somewhere else who functions as the center of one's
> >>>>>>>>> life.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why?  Do you have any evidence of this other than personal
> >>>>>>>> anecdote? You're assuming your conclusion.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random
> >>>>>>> meaningless event
> >>>>>> yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning
> >>>>>> whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that
> >>>>>> you are worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you
> >>>>>> are here so you dont cry every night for having such a low self
> >>>>>> esteem, means nothing to everyone except you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for
> >>>>>>> something or someone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love
> >>>>>> and that loves you then I guess you could say that
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They spend their life and energy for that something or
> >>>>>>> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By
> >>>>>>> living such life, that something or someone becomes their
> >>>>>>> god/God.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person
> >>>>>> can not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually
> >>>>>> noone and nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of
> >>>>>> tech. This person although a VIP in someones life is not going to
> >>>>>> be worshiped prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name
> >>>>>> of thier fairy tales
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to
> >>>>> understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life.
> >>>>> You have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose.
> >>>>> Therefore, that purpose is the center of your life which makes it
> >>>>> your god. It does not have to be religious, but it's just as
> >>>>> important to you as any religious belief to a theist. You would
> >>>>> devote your life to serve and fulfil your purpose just like any
> >>>>> theist would in serving their God/gods.
> >>>>
> >>>> That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will
> >>>> I give alms to it or eat crackers because of it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your life
> >>> for you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite the fact
> >>> you call yourself an atheist. People who call themselves atheists
> >>> really have no idea what the word god really means.
> >>
> >>
> >> you are a moron, I am done with you
> >
> > Yet another concession of defeat!  How many times will he do it?
> God is a lie.


You can say the samething about women...

Is a woman a machine made to look human?

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        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:00 +0800
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:51 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:49 +0800
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:46 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:18 +0800
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-14 03:19 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:25 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:30 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:59 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 15:03 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:30 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:19 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:36 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:53 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:20 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-12 10:01 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:16 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 20:22 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:49 -0400
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:53 -0500
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
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