Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: <55CBFFDB.694F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 19:24:27 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. References: <553A829E.FF3@ix.netcom.com> <233ksap0mvl5gcrnmmnsarpvn4mne6p8qs@4ax.com> <5t0nsahee2an4e1a13vauhianh1um0hpol@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 104 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 23.241.144.149 X-Trace: sv3-T3ZD6VPrlkabFLw9xMf0Z2chQjW4hu6O+aojj1FHp86GbYsFfyEyvj7oQnlpZY2BFm5xVkeS7KM7/07!F5+jv6yLSXGdBa9LkqYf1F8ffi2Jrs83k2BIrscc8Y6GHpriaoQXzjHlDUVQsx1j9uQWj+i6Xyjm!tLJIrnVhbLc= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6375 X-Received-Bytes: 6487 X-Received-Body-CRC: 907779669 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:1959023 rec.arts.sf.written:419919 sci.physics:513159 sci.physics.relativity:360547 W.TS. wrote: > > Rudy Canoza wrote in > news:mqg49f$975$10@dont-email.me: > > > On 8/12/2015 10:39 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:57:28 +0800, niunian > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2015-08-12 05:13 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different > >>>>>>>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord > >>>>>>>>> and center of a person's life. One can live his life without a > >>>>>>>>> stamp. One can not live his life without the lord and center > >>>>>>>>> of his life. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because > >>>>>>>> not everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living > >>>>>>> and how a person lives his life determines without exception > >>>>>>> what kind of God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind > >>>>>>> of "stamp". God is the center of a person's life. The person, > >>>>>>> regardless being aware of the concept and meaning of God/god or > >>>>>>> not, will have a center of his/her life as long as he/she is > >>>>>>> alive. This is a fact of life for everybody regardless being > >>>>>>> religious or not. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If one > >>>>>>>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the > >>>>>>>>> lord in somewhere else who functions as the center of one's > >>>>>>>>> life. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal > >>>>>>>> anecdote? You're assuming your conclusion. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random > >>>>>>> meaningless event > >>>>>> yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning > >>>>>> whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that > >>>>>> you are worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you > >>>>>> are here so you dont cry every night for having such a low self > >>>>>> esteem, means nothing to everyone except you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for > >>>>>>> something or someone. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love > >>>>>> and that loves you then I guess you could say that > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> They spend their life and energy for that something or > >>>>>>> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By > >>>>>>> living such life, that something or someone becomes their > >>>>>>> god/God. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person > >>>>>> can not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually > >>>>>> noone and nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of > >>>>>> tech. This person although a VIP in someones life is not going to > >>>>>> be worshiped prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name > >>>>>> of thier fairy tales > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to > >>>>> understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life. > >>>>> You have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose. > >>>>> Therefore, that purpose is the center of your life which makes it > >>>>> your god. It does not have to be religious, but it's just as > >>>>> important to you as any religious belief to a theist. You would > >>>>> devote your life to serve and fulfil your purpose just like any > >>>>> theist would in serving their God/gods. > >>>> > >>>> That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will > >>>> I give alms to it or eat crackers because of it. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your life > >>> for you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite the fact > >>> you call yourself an atheist. People who call themselves atheists > >>> really have no idea what the word god really means. > >> > >> > >> you are a moron, I am done with you > > > > Yet another concession of defeat! How many times will he do it? > God is a lie. You can say the samething about women... Is a woman a machine made to look human?