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Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback

From Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback
Organization Medical Communicators
References (4 earlier) <michelle-1D51A2.17502720032012@news.eternal-september.org> <CB8F37F3.83C08%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> <timmcn-3FE959.09131621032012@news.iphouse.com> <kc2dnSxFEdTgnffSnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <timmcn-3D7272.19304821032012@news.iphouse.com>
Date 2012-03-21 20:53 -0400
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In article <timmcn-3D7272.19304821032012@news.iphouse.com>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

 
> 
> Every person earning a wage in the US pays taxes on their income.  Do 
> you not look at your own pay stubs?  We all pay the Social Security tax 
> and we all pay the Medicare tax.  But its truthier to say "half the 
> population doesn't pay income tax" 'cuz then we make those poor little 
> rich people look so much more heroic for being greedy.
    Which they get back. SS and MCare are not income taxes, they are 
payroll taxes and have been a whole other kettle of fish since 
instituted. But it is also truthier to note that the bottom 40% get 
enough back in credits that it pays for most of the SS and MCare tax, 
thus the negative rates of taxes even when these are included. 

> 
> > > What's not fair is that roughly 500 people earn as much as that 48% 
> > > combined- which is about 150,000,000 Americans.  Greed comes with a 
> > > price, George.  One of those prices is taxes.  The other is your soul.
> >
> > Although at the same time, the total income tax shares of the top 
> > 1% went from 24.81% of federal income taxes paid in '87 to 36.73% in 
> > 2009 while the bottom half went from 6.07% to 2.25%. At the same time 
> > the top 1% INCOME shares when from 12.32% to 16.93% over the same 
> > timeframe. There was a 36% in income at the same time there was a 48% 
> > increase in taxes paid.
> 
> The top 20% of Americans get 93% of the wealth, George.  But they pay 
> less than 93% of the taxes, effectively getting a massive transfer of 
> wealth from everyone else.

    Of course we have no taxes on wealth and never have had, with the 
possible exception of inheritance taxes. But hey, let's bring in side 
issues shall we? 

> 
> Hell, $800,000,000,000 of the Bush tax cuts is sitting in the national 
> debt, having failed to stimulate the economy enough to pay for 
> themselves (which Uncle George promised us they would do).  Another 
> transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class to the rich.
     DId not happen either. If you look at the actual revenues, they 
went up after the first year. If you look at the scoring from the Joint 
Committee on Taxation (which was the model used by the Congress when 
they voted on the decreases) the revenue increase was even higher than 
what the foresaw BEFORE the cut. Go to the website for Joint Committee 
on Taxation and get their final report and then go to the Stat Abstract 
and compare that with what actually happened. 


>
> And how are we going to make that right and balance the budget and 
> reduce our debt?  We're going to fuck over the 99% by killing Social 
> Security and Medicare (which would mean most Americans would literally 
> never be able to retire until they are simply to decrepit to work any 
> longer).  
   Which is going to happen any way since both sides have LONG known 
that they were increasing benefits much quicker than they were the taxes 
used to pay for it. When (not if) SS collapses it will be one of the 
most stirring bipartisan achievements in decades. 

> 
> Cheers, dude.  Gotta love GOP.  More than happy to look you in the eye 
> while they stab you in the back.

-- 
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, 
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz 

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Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-19 07:26 -0700
  Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-19 15:14 -0400
    Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-19 15:31 -0400
    Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-19 15:51 -0400
      Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-19 15:53 -0400
      Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-03-20 12:19 +1200
        Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-19 20:50 -0400
          Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-03-20 16:14 +1200
            Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-19 23:28 -0400
            Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-20 17:16 -0400
      Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-20 19:33 -0500
        Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-20 17:50 -0700
          Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-21 07:46 -0500
            Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 09:42 -0400
              Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-03-21 09:23 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 12:25 -0400
            Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-03-21 09:13 -0500
              Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 12:23 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-21 16:04 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-03-21 19:30 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 20:53 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-03-21 22:28 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 08:01 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 08:13 -0400
            Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-21 08:44 -0700
              Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 12:29 -0400
              Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-21 15:26 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 16:45 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-21 14:34 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-03-21 19:05 -0500
            Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-22 14:16 -0400
              Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 14:34 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-03-22 14:25 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 09:02 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-23 10:44 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 14:05 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback News <News@Group.Name> - 2012-03-23 15:20 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 19:19 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-23 20:05 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 10:54 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-24 09:48 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback News <News@Group.Post> - 2012-03-24 12:53 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 20:15 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback News <News@Group.Post> - 2012-03-25 12:01 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> - 2012-03-24 18:45 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-24 19:30 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> - 2012-03-25 18:11 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-03-26 00:10 +0000
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-25 17:39 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-03-26 02:50 +0000
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-25 21:10 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-24 15:02 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-24 19:09 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-25 09:39 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-25 14:02 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback News <News@Group.Post> - 2012-03-24 12:42 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-03-23 15:52 -0600
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 19:24 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-23 20:04 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 10:43 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-03-24 11:22 -0600
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-24 15:16 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback News <News@Group.Post> - 2012-03-24 16:10 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-25 12:19 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-24 19:31 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-25 12:40 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-25 13:46 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-25 18:14 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-03-26 00:13 +0000
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-26 17:44 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 20:20 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-25 09:33 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-25 07:45 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-03-25 13:07 -0600
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-24 19:02 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 20:26 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-24 21:59 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback News <News@Group.Post> - 2012-03-24 12:42 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-03-24 11:09 -0600
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-23 22:45 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-23 20:00 -0700
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-23 22:43 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 10:40 -0500
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-23 22:42 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-24 08:21 -0400
                Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2012-03-24 18:29 -0400
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          Re: Apple to Pay Dividend, Plans $10 Billion Buyback George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-21 07:49 -0500
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