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On 2026-08-08 11:44, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 08.08.26 09:16, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-08 08:50, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 07.08.26 23:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-08-07 23:07, micky wrote:
>>>>>>> You'll have to find out if the network still supports it. In 
>>>>>>> Belgium, 3G
>>>>>>> was phased out in 2024. 2G is still active, but that won't last 
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>> Id didn't occur to me that 2 would last longer than 3.  3 ended on Dec
>>>>> 31 where I'm going.  I will check about 2
>>>>
>>>> Because it is used in systems like security alarms, things with remote
>>>> controllers.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Most European countries have replaced 2G with newer standards
>>> -  mostly 5G - for this purpose years ago.
>>
>>
>> You still have to go out and replace all the client hardware out there,
>> in the millions. Old cars with eCall systems, for instance.
>>
>>
>>
>> 🇩🇪 Germany: 2G is still operating. Deutsche Telekom plans to shut it
>> down by June 2028, Vodafone by September 2028, and Telefónica by the end
>> of 2028.
>> 🇨🇿 Czech Republic: 2G GSM remains available, with shutdown plans
>> around 2028 according to current operator information/community 
>> reporting.
>> 🇱🇹 Lithuania: 2G is expected to remain available until at least 2030.
>>
>> 🇵🇱 Poland: some operators are planning to retain 2G into roughly 2030.
>>
>> 🇫🇷 France: the opposite example—Orange is shutting down 2G
>> progressively, with nationwide mainland shutdown planned by September 
>> 2026.
> 
> This is very cheapish and sloppy AI-crap.
> 
> Would you mind to present independent evidence?

You can search for it yourself.

> My BEV has already eCall with 4G.
> 
> https://www.bakom.admin.ch/en/3g-and-2g-shutdown
> 
> Mistral generates this:
> 
> As of August 2026, the status of 2G and 3G networks in Europe is as 
> follows:
> 
> 3G is being phased out before 2G in most European countries. Many 
> operators have already shut down their 3G networks, with around 19 
> operators planning to do so by 2025, and more following in the coming 
> years. For example, in Germany, Vodafone and Deutsche Telekom shut down 
> their 3G networks as early as 2021.
> 
> 2G is expected to remain operational longer, primarily due to its 
> continued use in machine-to-machine (M2M) and IoT applications, such as 
> emergency communication systems in elevators and older vehicles. The 
> European Commission has even requested that 2G/3G be preserved until at 
> least 2030 for eCall in some 64 million vehiclesiot.cards.
> 
> France is phasing out 2G by the end of 2026, with Orange, SFR, and 
> Bouygues Telecom all planning to discontinue 2G by this time. 3G 
> shutdowns in France are expected by 2028 or 2029whereversim.com+3.
> Spain is also moving toward shutting down 2G by late 2026 or early 2027, 
> with 3G shutdowns planned for 2028–2029whereversim.com+1.
> Other countries like Slovakia and Montenegro have already closed or plan 
> to close their 2G/3G networks by the end of 2026thingsdata.com.
> In summary, while 3G is largely being retired across Europe, 2G is being 
> kept alive longer due to its critical role in IoT and legacy systems, 
> with many shutdowns planned between 2026 and 2030.
> 
> In the Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland), 
> the phase-out of 2G and 3G networks has been particularly rapid:
> 
> Sweden: Tele2 and Telia have already switched off both 2G and 3G 
> networks between 2024 and 2025.
> 
> Finland: The country has been undergoing a progressive shutdown of 2G 
> and 3G networks from 2024 to 2026.
> 
> Norway and Denmark: These countries are also among the leaders in Europe 
> for shutting down legacy networks, with users spending almost no time on 
> 2G/3G networks. The focus has been on transitioning to 4G and 5G, with 
> 3G being phased out before 2G in most cases.
> 
> In these countries, the transition away from 2G and 3G is largely 
> complete or nearing completion, as operators prioritize modernizing 
> their networks for 4G and 5G.
> 
> 

See? The information I posted is correct.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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  Re: OT will old phone work sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2026-08-06 15:40 -0700
  Re: OT  will old phone work "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:37 +0200
    Re: OT will old phone work Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 17:35 +0200
      Re: OT will old phone work micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-07 17:07 -0400
        Re: OT will old phone work "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 23:20 +0200
          Re: OT will old phone work Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-08 08:50 +0200
            Re: OT will old phone work "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 09:16 +0200
              Re: OT will old phone work Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-08 11:44 +0200
                Re: OT will old phone work "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 14:06 +0200
                Re: OT will old phone work Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-08 15:00 +0200
                Re: OT will old phone work Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-08 14:14 +0000
            Re: OT will old phone work Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:48 +0000
              Re: OT will old phone work "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 19:17 +0200
            Re: OT will old phone work micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-08 12:54 -0400
              Re: OT will old phone work "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 19:21 +0200
            Re: OT will old phone work "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-08 19:01 +0200
        Re: OT will old phone work Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-08 08:48 +0200
          Re: OT will old phone work micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-08 13:05 -0400
            Re: OT will old phone work Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-08 22:53 +0200
        Re: OT will old phone work Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 01:33 +0100
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