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Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE)

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE)
Date 2025-04-04 02:39 +0200
Message-ID <4bm3clx6pp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink)
References <7263clxr47.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vsmvmc$1n9gc$1@dont-email.me>

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On 2025-04-03 23:47, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 4/3/2025 4:01 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:


> 
> The first thing you check with "materials" like this, is what
> driver support and firmware support does it have. 

You can not know before buying :-(

> There is a button
> to click, which claims to expose user manuals for download.

What I noticed, is that both the paper "manual" and the web talk of raid 
modes and a switch to control them, while this box is raidless. Raid is 
on another box, more expensive.

The metalwork and hardware give a good impression, though. The fan is 
actually silent.

> 
>     https://support.yottamaster.com/download
> 
> A bad sign, is when you can't even hire someone to make a web site.
> The web site behaves like it's on someones night table and
> running over a $39.95 ADSL package or something.
> 
> Fortunately, you have a PNP of idVendor=152d, idProduct=0578
> and it is a JMicron 578.
> 
>     https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=230562
> 
> Product Teaser PDF. UhOh! This sentence hints how an attempt to make
> a cheap enclosure could go.
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20171215115739if_/http://www.jmicron.com:80/PDF/brief/jms578.pdf
> 
>     "Moreover, the JMS578 can combine with JMicron's SATA port multipliers to construct a data storage
>      device with multiple bays of HDDs to meet the requirement for large capacity data storage applications."

Ha! So, probably several vendors build the same thing.


> The datasheet shows an SPI port, which might be for a 2KB device to change the VendorID.
> 
> The device has a <cough> "ROM" -- they don't even make it clear whether
> that is EEPROM or what. In the year 2025, it's risky to make first-layer
> mask programmed ROM chips. If you foul up the firmware in such a device,
> you need a mechanism to support patching. Good devices use EEPROM, you
> flash them up and blow the bugs out of it.
> 
> I'm not at all sure, whether frame-based SATA switching is supported over
> USB. It probably is, but your results are not encouraging so far.
> 
> "Great science experiment you've got there, sir!" :-)
> 
> If the enclosure only had one hard drive bay and no 1port-to-5port
> expansion chip bolted to it, this would not have played out the same way.
> 
>           USB3 --- JMB578 ---- Single drive             # likely to work
> 
>           USB3 --- JMB578 ---- SATA Mux ----- Drive1    # Expansion chip has a fanout of 5.
>                               (Frame    ----- Drive2    # This is the defacto way the industry makes those.
>                                Based    ----- Drive3
>                              Switching) ----- Drive4
>                                         ----- Drive5

Sigh.


So you think this is a firmware issue, and nothing can be done on the 
Linux side?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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