Re: 'Based On Nonsense'

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Date	2015-11-24 12:43 -0800
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Subject	Re: 'Based On Nonsense'
From	Puppet_Sock <puppet_sock@hotmail.com>

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On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 1:17:44 AM UTC-5, john wrote:
[snip]
> We can live and be healthy
> WITHOUT OIL
> WITHOUT SUBJUGATING AND EATING SENTIENT BEINGS
> WITHOUT KILLING OTHER PEOPLE

We CAN live without these things. Some of us. For a while.

Life expectancies before the use of oil were typically
40 years or less. Infant mortality was typicaly as high
as 50 percent. The land required to grow enough food to
feed one person was typically 6 times as much as now,
and in some places much higher. Transportation of food
such as fresh fruit would be impossible, so you would
wind up with a variety of malnutrition illnesses.

Asking humanity to go back to conditions before fossil
fuel is in effect condeming us to a population less than
one fourth what it is now. Three quarters of the
population of the planet would die, usually violently
or horribly, such as from starvation, or some now
treatable or preventable illness.

As well, there is really no possibility of retaining
anything like wilderness. When people are starving
they will go into the woods and eat anything edible.
Anything not edible will be killed to make way for
something edible. There would long since have been
not one single speck of wilderness left if it were
not for modern use of fossil fuels. Just one example,
modern farming means we can grow enough to feed
6 billion now on less land than it took to feed
1 billion of us when there were only 1 billion of us.

So, for example, the development of fossil fuels is
the only reason there are any whales left in the
world. Otherwise they would have long since have
been harvested for whale oil for lamps.

Anybody who seriously tries to get you to give up
fossil fuel should be smacked until he stops it.

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Based On Nonsense The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-20 10:49 -0800
  Re: Based On Nonsense The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-20 11:00 -0800
    Re: Based On Nonsense The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 17:16 -0800
      Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 00:57 -0500
        Re: 'Based On Nonsense' john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 22:17 -0800
          Re: 'Based On Nonsense' benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:30 -0500
            Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:18 -0800
              Re: 'Based On Nonsense' "Alex Sutter" <invalid@troll-lo-lo.com> - 2015-11-22 08:36 -0800
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:48 -0800
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 09:17 -0800
            Re: 'Based On Nonsense' HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:31 -0800
          Re: 'Based On Nonsense' HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:26 -0800
          Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Puppet_Sock <puppet_sock@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-24 12:43 -0800
            Re: 'Based On Nonsense' gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-24 16:28 -0600
              Re: 'Based On Nonsense' john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 15:25 -0800
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 23:49 -0500
          Re: 'Based On Nonsense' gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-24 16:27 -0600
        Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 23:11 -0800
          Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-22 09:30 +0100
            Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 00:41 -0800
              Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:40 -0500
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 07:45 -0800
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 13:00 -0800
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-26 07:10 +0100
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-26 09:01 -0600
          Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2015-11-22 22:32 +0100
            Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 14:17 -0800
              Re: Based On Nonsense The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 21:37 -0800
                Re: Based On Nonsense The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-24 22:08 -0800
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 22:20 -0800
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-25 07:40 +0100
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 10:24 -0800
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbBertopal.org> - 2015-11-25 18:32 +0000
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 12:01 -0800
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-26 04:48 +0100
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbBertopal.org> - 2015-11-26 14:21 +0000
                Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-27 08:05 +0100
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          Re: We're robots, programmed to get food, water, air, etc. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-27 11:14 -0800
            Re: We're robots, programmed to get food, water, air, etc. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-27 12:00 -0800
            Re: We're robots, programmed to get food, water, air, etc. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-27 16:53 -0800
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              Re: We're robots, programmed to get food, water, air, etc. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-28 08:43 -0800
        Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-26 08:26 -0500
          Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2015-12-09 10:34 +0000
            Re: 'Based On Nonsense' john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 03:18 -0800
            Re: ‘Based On Nonsense’ Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-09 08:31 -0600
              Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 07:51 -0800
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 16:41 -0500
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-10 16:28 +0000
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 16:01 -0800
                Re: 'Based On Nonsense' "Alfred Summers" <invalid@eyample.com> - 2015-12-10 17:55 -0800
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