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Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense

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James McGinn wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 7:58:11 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:

Which part of “attribution line” did you not understand?

>> James McGinn wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 10:43:32 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars'
>> > Lahn wrote:
>> >> [Cloud condensation nuclei]
>> > Actually, this supposition has never been thoroughly tested.
>> You are wrong.
>> 
>> ,-
>> 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wegener%E2%80%93Bergeron%E2%80%93Findeisen_process>
>> | 
>> | […]
>> | In the late 1930s, German meteorologist Walter Findeisen extended and
>> | refined Bergeron's work through both theoretical and experimental work.
>>                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> It is tested and confirmed every time cloud seeding works.
> 
> Cloud seeding doesn't work.  Never has.

Cite evidence.

>> > So it is just a conjecture or superstition.
>> Ex falso quodlibet.
>>  
>> > There is no gaseous H2O in earth's atmosphere.  This notion is just
>> > superstition.
>> If so, where do the forms of precipitation (e.g., rain, hail, snow, dew;
>> commonly known as being the result of condensation/freezing of
>> atmospheric water) come from?
> 
> They don't come from gas.

Cite evidence.

>> If so, where do frostings in winter (commonly known as being the result
>> of resublimation of atmospheric water) come from?
> 
> Dumb question.

Why have you answered it in your other posting, then?

>> If so, where does the liquid water of lakes and puddles go to on warm
>> days (commonly known as the result of evaporation of water)?
> 
> Uh, it evaporates,

Correct.  It evaporates *into Earth’s atmosphere*, i.e. single water 
molecules diffuse into the mix of other molecules of the gases of air.  When 
there single molecules of a substance are floating around, the corresponding 
substance is in the *gaseous* phase.  The gaseous phase of water is called 
“water vapour”.  Therefore, there is water vapour in Earth’s atmosphere.

> dumbass.

You have no good arguments, so you are throwing insults.

>> If so, why are there *always* more clouds over regions with rivers and
>> forests, over lakes, seas and oceans than over dry land, in particular
>> over deserts?
> 
> Say what?

Did you not understand the question?  If yes, which part(s) of it did you 
not understand?
 
>> (More practical:) If so, where does the additional ice in the freezer
>> come from if you leave it open for too long (commonly knIown as being the
>> result of resublimation of atmospheric water)?
> 
> It doesn't turn to gas.

Correct (you did not read the question carefully, yes?).  The water vapour 
in the inflowing air turns into ice instead; therefore, the thicker ice 
layer in the freezer, and the reason why fridges and freezers have to be 
defrosted regularly for maximum efficiency even if not carelessly left open 
for too long.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator#Energy_efficiency>

>> You can do a simple experiment to test your assumption:
>> 
>> Build an aquarium (any container which, provably, was dry and when closed
>> up does let any phase of water pass, suffices), fill it with warm air
>> from the atmosphere (in the nothern hemisphere it is summer now, so this
>> is easy to do), and close it up.  Bring it into a cooler place, for
>> example put it into a fridge (that is the fastest way to test).  Observe
>> what happens.
>> 
>> I predict that the longer you wait and the lower the temperature, the
>> more droplets of liquid you will observe on the *inside* of whatever
>> adequate container you chose.  As you examine the liquid, you will find
>> that has all the properties of water.  As you have ascertained before
>> that the container did not let any phase of water pass, where does the
>> liquid water on the inside come from?
> 
> Your experiment is meaningless.

How so?  And have you done it?
 
>> Answer: It MUST have come from the *air* that you let in before.
>> Conclusion: There is gaseous water, water vapour, in the air.
>> 
>> Surely you will accept as an axiom that Earth’s atmosphere consists of
>> air.
>> 
>> Corollary: There *is* gaseous water in Earth’s atmosphere.  Which
>> disproves your claim. ∎
> 
> You are just dumb.

No, you are ignorant.

>> >> > Droplets at the top of the cloud (coldest) fall downward with a very
>> >> > small terminal velocity and usually evaporate from air frictional
>> >> > heating before falling very far.
>> >> 
>> >> Instead, those "droplets" at the top of a cloud are actually
>> >> condensation nuclei surrounded by then-*frozen* *solid* water *ice*.
>> > 
>> > No, they are droplets.  Nuclei is not necessary.
>> This statement is inconsistent with your claim above.
>> 
>> Either there *is* gaseous water in the atmosphere, only then it can
>> condense to droplets, freeze to ice (which they have to: we *know* how
>> cold it is above as we *measured* it numerous times with weather balloons
>> – it is below the melting point of water, below 0 °C), on which more
>> water can freeze and so on.o
> 
> Only dumb people base arguments on definitions.

I am describing observable facts.  Your denial of reality does not make it 
go away; it just makes you look stupid.
 
>> Again, please trim your quotes.

Which part of that did you not understand?

> These are incredibly weak and nonsensical arguments.

You are not in a position to make that assessment, having *no* (*good*) 
arguments and *no* evidence in your favor *at all*.

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Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 10:13 -0700
  Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-06 01:33 -0400
    Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 23:03 -0700
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      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 18:33 -0700
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    Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-06 14:40 -0500
      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 05:51 -0700
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      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 11:22 -0700
        Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-07 18:20 -0700
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-08 13:51 -0500
      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-19 19:45 +0200
    Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-19 19:43 +0200
      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-19 19:58 +0200
      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 21:48 +0200
        Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-19 22:29 +0200
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 15:33 -0500
            Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-19 22:40 +0200
              Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 23:24 +0200
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 23:15 +0200
      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 09:08 -0700
        Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-21 03:27 +0200
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 20:58 -0700
            Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-23 07:55 +0200
              Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 09:21 -0700
      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 12:19 -0700
        Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-21 04:58 +0200
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-21 05:12 +0200
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 07:22 +0200
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 14:00 -0700
            Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 17:46 -0700
              Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 08:10 -0700
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                Re: Precipitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-23 21:25 +0200
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          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 08:21 -0700
            Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-23 07:33 +0200
              Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 08:35 -0700
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 12:16 -0700
            Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-23 07:52 +0200
              Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 09:20 -0700
                Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-23 21:45 +0200
                Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 18:06 -0700
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 11:10 -0700
    Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-19 18:05 -0500
      Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 11:58 -0700
        Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 15:13 -0700
          Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-20 18:12 -0500
  Re: Sometimes people believe things that are nonsense James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 07:14 -0700
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