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Re: Newton and Galilean relativity

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Date	2018-06-06 13:34 -0700
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Subject	Re: Newton and Galilean relativity
From	hallstoncliff@gmail.com

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On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:12:43 AM UTC-7, Robert Winn wrote:
> Well, see, the problem with the reasoning is that there is no ether, 
> so there is no speed v through the ether.  

That's not a problem with the reasoning, that's the conclusion OF the reasoning.

> All you have is one frame of reference, the frame of reference of 
> the interferometer.

Nope, there are infinitely many systems of inertial coordinates, in all states of motion.

> You said earlier that you wanted the other frame of reference to 
> be the frame of reference of the sun...

The sun happens to be more nearly inertial (over the course of a year) than the earth, and the variations of the earth's velocity are very simple when expressed in that frame, because the average is about zero.  But as already explained, we can use any inertial coordinate system, it doesn't have to be the frame of the sun, that's just the easiest to use.

> You said gravitation had nothing to do with the experiment.

Right.

> If you want the frame of reference of a star, why not be fair to all
> stars and choose one in a galaxy long ago and far away like in the movie? 

Okay, the answer is the same:  the earth's velocity in terms of ANY system of inertial coordinates varies by +-v, where v is the earth's orbital speed around the sun.  Understand?

> The Equivalence Principle was discovered by Galileo when he dropped 
> two weights of different sizes from the top of the leaning tower of 
> Pisa, and they hit the ground at the same time.  

Yes, that was the original version of the EP, and Einstein elaborated on it, to say that all physical phenomena (including things Galileo never hear of, like Maxwell's electromagnetism) work the same way in gravitational free-fall as they do in gravity-free space (i.e., Lorentz invariance, special relativity), and also that being at rest in gravity is the same as accelerating in gravity-free space.

> Well, I just read descriptions of the experiment by scientists 
> and assumed the light being measured came from the sun...

But the descriptions say Michelson's light source was on the apparatus.  (Note that subsequent experimenters tried all kinds of variations, such as using light from celestial bodies, and on mountain tops and mine shafts, but the results were the same.)

> You have a frame of reference representing the non-existent ether, 
> so that was the end of that.

But this has been explained thoroughly many times now.  At this point I honestly don't see what objection you are making to Michelson's reasoning:  Hypothesize an ether at rest in some inertial frame, determine the minimum possible speed the earth could have in that putative ether frame, test for the ether wind of that speed, find none, conclude the ether doesn't exist.

>   Your equations do not mean anything.

What equations?  Was that just a stream-of-consciousness burst of characters?

> My experience with scientists is not good.  I had a good job in a 
> sawmill.  Then scientists were instrumental in shutting down the 
> lumber industry in the northwestern United States.  After that, I 
> was not as impressed by scientists as I had been.  

Yes, but your dislike for "scientists" has nothing to do with the validity of special and general relativity, which is the subject of our discussion.  You're not being asked to take anyone's word for anything, on authority, you're having things explained to you, and with your own mind you can evaluate the validity of what you are being told.  For that purpose, your personal hatreds or distrust for "scientists" is not relevant.

> If you have two frames of reference, then they need to represent
> two different things.  

No, a frame of reference is really just a system of coordinates, which can be defined for any state of motion, regardless of whether some object is at rest in terms of those coordinates.

> One of the frames of reference represents the interferometer.

Well, the interferometer is (approximately) at rest in one inertial frame, as if every object (instantaneously).

> I thought the other represented the frame of reference of the sun...

No, to compute the minimum expected fringe shifts (proportional to the difference in round trip times for the parallel and perpendicular light rays), we analyze the case where the interferometer is moving with speed v in terms of the putative ether's rest frame.

> I was assuming from the frames of reference that the light being 
> measured by the interferometer came from the sun.  I came to this 
> conclusion because of the mathematics.  

I don't understand those sentences.  How would mathematics lead you to the conclusion of assuming that the light came from the sun?  What mathematics? 

> Then you corrected me.  The other frame of reference represents 
> the non-existent ether.  

Well, the analysis is based on the interferometer is moving with speed v in the rest frame of the putative ether, since the earth must be moving at least that fast in the putative ether frame at least some times of the year.  Is there something you don't understand about this?

> Yes, I could, but I probably won't because you already see your error.

My error?  You just admitted that you were in error and I corrected you.  (You're welcome.)  Now you allude to an error on my part... what error are you referring to?

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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:01 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-30 15:40 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 07:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 16:24 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 09:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 17:10 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 12:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 21:08 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 14:32 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 22:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 23:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 05:59 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 16:24 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 09:41 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 16:55 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 12:16 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 21:08 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 14:29 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-06-30 11:14 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 12:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-06-30 18:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 22:33 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 00:04 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 06:51 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 10:52 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 14:24 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 21:39 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 16:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:31 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 17:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 18:22 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 18:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 20:26 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 22:57 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 08:43 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 09:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 14:03 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 15:22 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 18:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 21:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 22:16 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 04:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 05:03 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:11 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-07-03 17:14 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 18:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 00:25 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-04 09:04 -0400
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 10:16 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-04 13:44 -0400
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 13:31 -0700

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