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Re: Newton and Galilean relativity

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2018-06-06 08:11 -0700
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Subject Re: Newton and Galilean relativity
From hallstoncliff@gmail.com

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On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:47:33 PM UTC-7, Robert Winn wrote:
> Well, the further away a galaxy is, supposedly the faster it is moving 
> away from our galaxy.  I wanted to get one sufficiently far away so 
> that scientists could not say it had the same frame of reference as 
> the mythical ether.  

You're still not grasping the reasoning. Again, the challenge faced by Michelson, et al, was that they did not know the reference frame of the putative ether... that's what they were trying to find out!  It was presumed that the ether was at rest in *some* inertial frame, but no one knew which one.  They devised an apparatus that (they believed) would show a fringe shift proportional to the speed of the earth relative to the putative ether frame, but how much fringe shift should we expect to find?  How precise does our apparatus need to be in order to detect the earth's motion through the ether?  Well, that depends on how fast the earth is moving in the ether's frame, but we don't know what that speed is.  You see, at any given time the earth is more or less at rest in it's co-moving inertial frame, so if the earth happens to be at rest (or nearly at rest) in the ether's rest frame, the apparatus wouldn't detect any motion.

But wait.  The earth isn't at rest in an inertial frame throughout the course of the year, because it is actually moving in a circle at roughly constant speed, so six months apart the earth's speed actually changes (relative to ANY inertial frame) by twice it's orbital speed v.  Therefore, regardless of what inertial frame is the ether's rest frame, it follows that at some time during the year the earth *must* be moving with *at least* the speed v relative to the ether.  So, to be sure of being able to detect the earth's motion (at some time of the year), Michelson needed his apparatus to be able to detect a fringe shift corresponding to the speed v through the ether.

> The only thing we were talking about was the Galilean transformation equations, which you said were wrong and had to be replaced by the Lorentz equations and a length contraction.

Not quite...  as the relationship between inertial coordinate systems (in which the isotropic laws of physics hold good) the Galilean transformation needs to be replaced by the Lorentz transformation.  You shouldn't say "and a length contraction", because that's like ordering the "soup du jour" of the day.

> The Galilean transformation equations can be used to describe 
> gravitation.  Newton used them for this purpose...

Yes, and Newton's description was wrong, partly because local inertial coordinate systems are not related by Galilean transformations, they are related by Lorentz transformations.

> Einstein said that the Lorentz equations and Special Relativity 
> were a description of relativity in the absence of gravitation.

Yes, but that's not all.  His "aha moment" in the discovery of general relativity was the Equivalence Principle, according to which the Lorentz equations and special relativity apply *locally* at every time and place, *even in the presence of gravitation*.

> > Do you mean that you have been posting messages about relativity for decades, and yet have never become acquainted with the Michelson-Morley experiment until I just described it to you??  How can that be?
> 
> How can that be?  I was just taking the word of scientists about the experiment.  

To the contrary, you reject "the word of scientists" about the experiment, because you claim that the results of the experiment (and every other experiment) can be explained by Galilean relativity, even though scientists say those experiments are incompatible with Galilean relativity.  Sure, you might accept the word of scientists about the conduct of the experiment while having your own interpretation or analysis, but my point is that, in order for you to know how to explain an experiment with Galilean relativity you surely have to be acquainted with the experiment.  How can you claim to be able to explain the experiment if you don't even know what the experiment *is*?

> Michelson and Morley were trying to measure the effect of the ether.  
> They said the experiment showed there was no ether.  So why do you 
> still have a frame of reference of the non-existent ether?

We don't.

> > > I never studied it at all.   
> > Why not?  Just not interested? 
> Having conversed with some scientists, I was aware that most of 
> what they say is probably false.  

Are you sure they were scientists?  It's true that most people you encounter on the internet are idiots, but you can't infer that real scientists are idiots, nor that text books are probably wrong.  There's also a self-confirmation bias to be wary of, i.e., if everyone you meet says your ideas are wrong, it's possible that they are all wrong, but that's not the only possible explanation.  It's worthwhile to actually give careful consideration to what the text books say, and to the actual experiments, etc.  Even in this thread you've confessed to simply ignoring the explanations and answers to your questions, because you are pre-convinced that they are wrong.  That's not good.

> In Galilean relativity, if the interferometer is not moving relative to ether, then you would not have a frame of reference that represents the non-existent ether.

I don't understand that sentence.  The two clauses seem to contradict each other.  Could you clarify?

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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-30 14:51 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:01 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-30 15:40 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 07:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 16:24 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 09:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 17:10 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 12:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 21:08 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 14:32 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 22:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 23:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 05:59 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 16:24 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 09:41 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 16:55 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 12:16 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 21:08 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 14:29 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-06-30 11:14 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 12:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-06-30 18:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 22:33 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 00:04 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 06:51 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 10:52 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 14:24 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 21:39 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 16:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:31 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 17:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 18:22 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 18:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 20:26 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 22:57 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 08:43 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 09:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 14:03 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 15:22 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 18:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 21:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 22:16 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 04:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 05:03 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:11 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-07-03 17:14 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 18:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 00:25 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-04 09:04 -0400
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 10:16 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-04 13:44 -0400
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 13:31 -0700

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