Re: who really use Forth ?

Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Date	2015-11-02 22:59 -0800
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Subject	Re: who really use Forth ?
From	Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com>

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I posted the tcpi/ip stack here just to show why you need structures.
Many forthers asked why you need structures. Of course, every field
definition can be made a colon definition, that adds the offset. This is
error prone because you need to manually counting the offsets...

Still, defining field words for every field is still better than not having
them defined. Just imagine the tcp/ip code with no named fields, adding the
offsets inline in every definition that uses them...

But after you find yourself defining tenths of "fields" this way, you 
probably will realize that something is wrong, and probably you will
come up with a FIELD word anyway...

This is how real programming for real world applications looks like.
It is not trivial, it doesn't look like:
: sq dup * ;

Many forthers claim that doing forth in the simplistic way is fun... Yup,
it's fun for a while. It's fun to not use locals, to not use fields, to use
only DUP OVER SWAP DROP.

But the fun is over when you finally have to do a real job, and suddenly
find that you are naked, no locals, no fields, no arrays, no nothing...

A simplistic language that people use for "fun" has a name: "toy language"

Thread

who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-10-30 16:12 -0700
  Re: who really use Forth ? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:27 -0700
    Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-10-30 16:53 -0700
      Re: who really use Forth ? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 09:16 -0700
        Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-10-31 12:49 -0700
  Re: who really use Forth ? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-31 01:27 +0100
  Re: who really use Forth ? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-31 00:26 +0000
    Re: who really use Forth ? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-31 10:46 +0000
      Re: who really use Forth ? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-18 01:35 +0000
  Re: who really use Forth ? Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 18:34 -0700
    Re: who really use Forth ? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-31 10:57 +0000
      Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-10-31 13:13 -0700
        Re: who really use Forth ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:22 -0400
      Re: who really use Forth ? "Rod Pemberton" <too@zxcvfeqad.cdm> - 2015-11-02 02:32 -0500
        Re: who really use Forth ? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-11-02 09:04 +0100
  Re: who really use Forth ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-30 18:35 -1000
  Re: who really use Forth ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 02:51 -0400
  Re: who really use Forth ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 23:52 -0700
  Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-10-31 00:04 -0700
    Re: who really use Forth ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 03:16 -0400
    Re: who really use Forth ? Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:00 -0700
    Re: who really use Forth ? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-31 08:35 -0500
      Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-10-31 13:08 -0700
      Re: who really use Forth ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-31 13:40 -0700
        Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-10-31 13:55 -0700
    Re: who really use Forth ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-10-31 14:10 -0700
      Re: who really use Forth ? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-01 11:15 +0000
        Re: who really use Forth ? Alfred Singlestone <vitonis@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 05:37 -0800
          Re: who really use Forth ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 05:59 -0800
  Re: who really use Forth ? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-31 10:17 +0000
    Re: who really use Forth ? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-31 16:53 +0000
  Re: who really use Forth ? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:04 -0700
    Re: who really use Forth ? Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-11-02 10:57 +0100
  Re: who really use Forth ? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 21:23 -0700
  Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-11-02 06:05 -0800
    Re: who really use Forth ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:43 -0800
    Re: who really use Forth ? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:02 -0800
  Re: who really use Forth ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:53 -0800
    Re: who really use Forth ? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:05 -0800
      Re: who really use Forth ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-11-02 09:48 -0800
      Re: who really use Forth ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-02 08:11 -1000
  Re: who really use Forth ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:39 -0800
    Re: who really use Forth ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-11-02 16:37 -0800
      Re: who really use Forth ? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 22:59 -0800
        Re: who really use Forth ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-02 21:16 -1000
          Re: who really use Forth ? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-11-03 11:04 +0000
            Re: who really use Forth ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-03 08:17 -1000
              Re: who really use Forth ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-11-03 18:20 -0800
                Re: who really use Forth ? François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2015-11-03 22:26 -0800
                Re: who really use Forth ? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 23:21 -0800
              Re: who really use Forth ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-04 09:33 +0000
          Re: who really use Forth ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-03 11:07 +0000
            Re: who really use Forth ? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 03:23 -0800
              Re: who really use Forth ? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-03 22:24 +0100
        Re: who really use Forth ? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 01:35 -0800
        Re: who really use Forth ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 11:18 -0500
        Re: who really use Forth ? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 00:07 +0000
        Re: who really use Forth ? Alfred Singlestone <vitonis@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 17:01 -0800
  Re: who really use Forth ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 10:59 -0800
    Re: who really use Forth ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-03 10:00 -1000
      Re: who really use Forth ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 13:31 -0800

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