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Re: Why is the universe 13.8 milliards years old ?

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Henry Wilson wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 01:55:00 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> […]  You claimed:
>> 
>> “Einstein's P2 requires an absolute aether to unify the speed of light
>> from differently moving sources.”
>> 
>> That is wrong, because paragraph 2 of the work says the exact opposite
>> of what you claim.  And it starts with saying that attempts to detect
>> that ether have been unsuccessful, and that therefore the idea of the
>> ether should be abandoned:
>> 
>> “Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to
>> discover any motion of the earth relatively to the “light medium,”
>> suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics
>> possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest. They
>> suggest rather that, as has already been shown to the first order of
>> small quantities, the same laws of electrodynamics and optics will be
>> valid for all frames of reference for which the equations of mechanics
>> hold good.¹”
>> 
>> “*Unsuccessful* attempts” and “*no* properties corresponding to the idea
>> of absolute rest”!
> 
> That's right. that is what his first postulate is all about.

You don’t say! :->

> […]
> Then he defines his second postulate, in which he merely states that
> light speed in space is independent of the speed of both the observer and
> the source.

So “P” means “postulate” now, not “paragraph”?

In any case, Einstein simply did not postulate what you claimed he did.

For again, you claimed:

“Einstein's P2 requires an absolute aether to unify the speed of light
from differently moving sources.”

And that is simply not true.  Also, Einstein did not say nor implied 
anything of the sort.

Instead, his first postulate is that because no ether has been found, 
electrodynamics does not depend on an idea of absolute motion in a 
“luminiferous ether”, and that things should work even *without* such an 
absolute ether, the same as mechanics does work without it.

Do you admit that you claimed the opposite and that were wrong about that?

Because until you do, it’s EOD for me.


PointedEars
-- 
Q: What did the female magnet say to the male magnet?  
A: From the back, I found you repulsive, but from the front
   I find myself very attracted to you.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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