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At the risk of feeding a troll, yet another attempt to explain this to you.

John Harris wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> John Harris wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>>   <snip>
>>>> There is no javascript: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
>>>   <snip>
>>> 
>>> To new readers, what Thomas means is :
>>> 
>>> a) If you think 'javascript' is one language then you are wrong. There
>>> are several different environments using the same core language,
>>> ECMAScript, and numerous differences between products and versions in
>>> the same environment.
>>
>> No, you still don't get it.
> 
> In what way have I misrepresented your views ?

They are not views.
 
>   Remember, you have written

You (of all people) should not presume to remind me of that which I know so 
well.

> "Some people talk about a programming language they call “javascript”.

(Actually, there are typographical double-quotes in the original text.)

> This is supposed to be one fully specified and universally implemented
> programming language" ...

Perhaps I chose an ambiguous wording; English is not my native language.  
It means: It is “supposed to be” that in those people's understanding 
of the topic, but actually it is not (because it does not exist as such).  
The comparison of implementations vs. the standard and each other in the 
ECMAScript Support Matrix makes that obvious.  (Another Matrix would show 
that much the same applies to DOM implementations, although there, too, 
many previous differences disappear with time while new ones emerge.)

>   and
> "there are several implementations of ECMAScript that are widely
> distributed, primarily through web browsers".

“Several (*different*) *implementations* of *ECMAScript*”; _not_ “the same 
core language”.  Surely you can see that a different implementation means a 
*different* (core) language, particularly in the case of ECMAScript.  The 
differences between the ECMAScript implementations have nothing to do with 
different runtime environments (nowadays): You can find Mozilla JavaScript 
in Mozilla browsers, SeaMonkey, and NES-compatibles; Microsoft JScript in 
IE, WSH and IIS; Google V8 JavaScript in Chromium, the Android browser 
component, and in node.js etc.

Also, features provided by a runtime environment, like a DOM implementation, 
do not belong to the respective ECMAScript implementation (the “core 
language”); they are language-independent (with the historical exception of 
JavaScript 1.0 to 1.3 in Netscape Navigator 2.0 to 4.x as the notion of a 
“DOM” or “AOM” is a later development – at the time people were simply 
talking about “DHTML”).

HTH

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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  Re: client side hour glass icon? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-07-09 09:51 +0200
  Re: client side hour glass icon? Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 08:53 +0000
    Re: client side hour glass icon? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-09 22:18 +0200
      Re: client side hour glass icon? Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 08:20 +0200
        Re: client side hour glass icon? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-10 21:27 +0200
      Re: client side hour glass icon? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-07-10 14:46 +0100
        Re: client side hour glass icon? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-10 15:57 +0200
          Pointless rants (Was: Re: client side hour glass icon?) "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-07-10 19:18 +0300
            Re: Pointless rants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-10 19:45 +0200
          Re: client side hour glass icon? danca <ynnadrebyc@tiscalinet.it> - 2013-07-10 18:31 +0200
          Re: client side hour glass icon? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-07-11 10:06 +0100
            Re: client side hour glass icon? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-11 18:32 +0200
              Re: client side hour glass icon? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-07-12 16:28 +0100
                ECMAScript (was: client side hour glass icon?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-12 21:12 +0200
                Re: ECMAScript (was: client side hour glass icon?) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-07-13 17:01 +0100
  Re: client side hour glass icon? Danny <dann90038@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 10:53 -0700

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