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Re: Does Light Really Exist.

From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Does Light Really Exist.
Date 2017-06-25 23:58 +0200
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
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> Naturally light loses energy as it travels. How could it not?

Energy is a conserved quantity.

Were it not for friction, objects in motion would retain all their kinetic 
energy (instead of exchanging it for heat) and continue moving forever.

In outer space, there is virtually nothing that could cause friction: outer 
space is virtually *empty*.  Why do we know that?  Basically because we can 
observe stars and galaxies that are very far away.  If there would be 
anything significant between them and us, we would not observe them as we 
do.

Your argument is that of Aristotle (384–322 BCE): that a force would be 
required to keep objects in motion.

But Isaac Newton already knew in 1687 (CE) that Aristotle was wrong, because 
Aristotle never considered friction.

    [Leonard Susskind humorously says in his “Classical Mechanics” lecture
     (I am paraphrasing him): “Had Aristotle gone ice-skating, he would have 
     known that it is friction that slows down moving objects.  But he lived
     in Greece, so he never could go ice-skating.”]
 
> That's why there is a cosmic red shift roughly proportional to the
> source distance from Earth.

That is simply not true:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#redshift>

(read *all* of it)

> If the BB theory was correct, the observed red shift would not be
> symmetrical around our planet unless the Earth was the centre of the
> universe...

No.  Please look at this animation I made on that subject (tested with 
Chromium/Chrome):

<http://PointedEars.de/markup/xml/SVG/observable-universe.html>

This abstractly depicts *our* *observable* universe.  But according to the 
BB theory, everything is moving away from everything (metric expansion), 
like the raisins in an expanding raisin bread:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space#/media/File:Raisinbread.gif>

So the observed effect is the same for every observer in the universe (each 
observer just sees different astronomical objects receding from them).

> which is what many good christians want to believe.

“Want to believe” is well-worded by you for a change.  It shows that 
different to science, belief is not at all grounded in observed fact, but 
*only* in hearsay and wishful thinking.  Conclusions drawn from it are 
therefore inherently fallacious.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-23 09:36 +1000
  Re: Does Light Really Exist. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-23 10:49 +1000
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 23:37 -0700
      Re: Does Light Really Exist. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-23 17:09 +1000
        Re: Does Light Really Exist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-23 00:36 -0700
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. Lipek Mniak <iluka@sskwpiw.pp> - 2017-06-23 11:08 +0000
      Re: Does Light Really Exist. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-23 16:49 -0400
        Re: Does Light Really Exist. Valok Planek <lkupuu@kwklewan.oo> - 2017-06-24 10:21 +0000
  Re: Does Light Really Exist. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-22 18:53 -0700
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. Valok Planek <lkupuu@kwklewan.oo> - 2017-06-24 10:50 +0000
      Re: Does Light Really Exist. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-24 04:29 -0700
        Re: Does Light Really Exist. Valok Planek <lkupuu@kwklewan.oo> - 2017-06-24 11:42 +0000
  Re: Does Light Really Exist. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 07:34 -0500
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-23 16:55 -0400
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. Itu Ikosaku <tkiuu@iotkswwwswu.si> - 2017-06-25 09:43 +0000
  Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-23 09:08 -0500
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-06-23 12:14 -0700
      Re: Does Light Really Exist. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-23 16:57 -0400
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-23 22:40 +0200
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. Iorgas Gerakis <grura@agsiskswk.ai> - 2017-06-24 12:10 +0000
    Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-24 08:42 -0500
      Re: Does Light Really Exist. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-24 16:28 +0200
        Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-24 23:08 -0500
          Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-24 21:40 -0700
            Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-25 14:56 +1000
              Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-24 22:14 -0700
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-26 11:16 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-25 18:54 -0700
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              Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-25 10:21 -0500
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-25 22:23 +0200
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-26 19:50 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-26 06:03 -0700
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-26 10:05 -0500
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-26 08:23 -0700
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Jim Petroff <ruuri@twjotr.eo> - 2017-06-26 15:43 +0000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-26 09:19 -0700
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-27 08:15 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-30 17:43 +0200
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 -0700
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-05 11:20 -0500
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Oveho Trofyzikovu <zfeuur@ceuuwi.ku> - 2017-07-05 17:10 +0000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-06 03:49 +0200
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-06 11:11 -0500
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-06 20:19 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:05 -0500
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-06 20:40 +0000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-07 09:43 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-07 22:49 +0000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-07 09:11 -0500
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-08 09:44 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-08 00:09 -0500
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-09 10:06 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-08 18:01 -0700
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-09 12:56 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-08 20:45 -0700
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                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-11 10:58 +1000
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                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-10 23:57 -0500
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                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-03 11:37 +1000
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-26 07:26 -0700
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                Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-26 19:52 +1000
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          Re: Does Light Really Exist. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-25 12:05 +0200
            Re: Does Light Really Exist. Itu Ikosaku <tkiuu@iotkswwwswu.si> - 2017-06-25 10:10 +0000
              Re: Does Light Really Exist. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-25 12:33 +0200
                Re: Does Light Really Exist. Itu Ikosaku <tkiuu@iotkswwwswu.si> - 2017-06-25 10:48 +0000
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      Re: Does Light Really Exist. Iorgas Gerakis <grura@agsiskswk.ai> - 2017-06-24 17:28 +0000
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      Re: Does Light Really Exist. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-25 03:14 +0000
        Re: Does Light Really Exist. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-24 20:50 -0700
        Re: Does Light Really Exist. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-25 15:05 +1000
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