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Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.

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On Sun, 2/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
> Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
> when trying to update Eudora, 
> 
> Only for win11 or did I somehow not encounter them in win10? 
> 
> 1) I copied over all the Eudora files from a working computer, and
> that's enough to make it work, but in order for Eudora to be in the list
> of installed programs, so that it can be set to be the program that gets
> called when one clicks on an email address in a web browser, for
> example, it has to be installed too. 
> 
> The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
> since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
> I'm the only administrator.  No way provided to override.  Downloaded
> another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
> and got same message.   Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
> increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
> off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
> Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
> and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
> 
> One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
> be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
> the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
> changed them. 
> 
> How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
> there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
> be blocked? 
> 
> What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
> Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
> boxes, about a year ago.  
> 
> 2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
> C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
> thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
> C:\Programs now a protected directory? 
> 
> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
> better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
> into a Programs sub-directory?  And what makes an installation program
> move/copy different from a File manager move/copy?  If I write a bat
> file to move/copy these files, would that work?  Or does it have to be
> compiled?  
> 
> The first time I used a 3rd-party file manager, so I switched to File
> Explorer.  Either way, first it wants one to click on the button with
> the Administrator logo (and you think doing this means you're home free)
> then the moving graph starts and after one program has seemingly moved,
> according to the graph, it again complains, iirc that it doesn't know
> the author of the files I want to copy, or maybe that's just a side
> comment and no reason is given, and provides no suggested alternative to
> copy them.  Way to go, MS!
> 
> I have a feeling, and I'll try it later, I could get around problems 2
> and 3 in the same way I did problem 1, in a CMD box (with elevated
> powers??).  If so, does MS ever tell people about this limitation and
> how to get around it?  Or they just leave people in a quandary? 
> 
> It's a good thing I still know DOS commands. I bet anyone under 50
> doesn't know them, probably doesn't even know DOS exists, and that's
> most people. So what do they do?  
> 

Do you ever do Properties on the files you download from the Internet ?

What do you notice ?

The tick box at the bottom ?

The status line down there indicates "the user has downloaded an unclean file
from the Internet, we will show this status until the user tells
us the program is clean". That is what the tick box is for.

*******

Based on having so many questions about Eudora, let us see what files
Paul has accumulated.

 Directory of S:\Eudora
         .
Sun, 01/28/2024  07:59 PM        16,993,736 Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe        <=== we will check this for the tick box
Sun, 01/28/2024  07:56 PM         3,830,985 Eudora_71_User_Manual.zip
Sun, 01/28/2024  07:54 PM            30,127 Readme-First-Eudora-71.txt

Name: Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe
Size: 16,993,736 bytes (16 MiB)
SHA256: 96AEC8EA618E34F0DEEEA67854D01CBA97EE99CC3080517D385D901E58CB4EB4

Now, let us look at the status of the file. How "dirty" is it ?
Yes, there is a box to tick. Because it was downloaded by a browser
in Zone 3.

    [Picture]

     https://i.postimg.cc/P5Fpt4Qm/eudora-download-status.gif

*******

Inside Eudora is this:

Name: EudoraProject.msi
Size: 1,505,280 bytes (1470 KiB)
SHA256: 758D662360F9DFA04F029D32237E1943533C9E51717D5E824677342135AB2CFA

Sun, 02/23/2025  12:55 PM         1,505,280 EudoraProject.msi
Tue, 03/18/2003  09:20 PM         1,060,864 mfc71.dll    \
Tue, 03/18/2003  09:12 PM         1,047,552 mfc71u_dll    \___ I didn't extract these properly, I just wanted
Tue, 03/18/2003  08:14 PM           499,712 msvcp71.dll   /    the names for the forensic info. It looks
Fri, 02/21/2003  04:42 AM           348,160 msvcr71.dll  /     like an old copy of Visual Studio runtimes.

I'm doing that much, to show you that copying the files isn't sufficient...
unless those DLLs happen to be in the folder with your installed executable.
If those happened to be installed in System32 for example, you might easily
miss them. There is a proper way to extract all of that file, but
I'm not taking it all apart. You should be able to use the installer
to install it (and its payloads).

   Paul

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3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 11:27 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-23 13:07 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 13:42 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-23 13:39 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-25 18:15 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 12:10 -0700
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-25 18:20 -0500
      Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 13:57 -0700
        Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-02-28 10:05 +0000
          Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-01 19:58 +1100
        Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-10 10:27 -0400

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