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Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity

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On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:33:03 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > 
> > On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 7:25:51 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > On 11/4/15 8:07 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > I wonder how you'd entertain that gravity is
> > > > > > actually repulsive from the edges of the universe,
> > > > > > and that mass occludes it as a force, so, then
> > > > > > objects are drawn together locally as the block
> > > > > > each other out (then that this matches attractive
> > > > > > gravity up to basically the same sphere of influence).
> > > > > > Then gravity is a feature of the substrate instead of
> > > > > > the bodies, which are defined by the nuclear force(s).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    I hate to break this to you, Ross, but the universe doesn't
> > > > >    have edges.
> > > > >
> > > > >    No Center
> > > > >      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
> > > > >      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
> > > > >
> > > > >    Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
> > > > >      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
> > > > >      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
> > > > >      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
> > > > >
> > > > >    WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
> > > > >      http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
> > > > >
> > > > >    WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
> > > > >      http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The universe is effectively infinite and unbounded, yes.
> > >
> > >
> > > You mean mathematically speaking and philoshphy speaking, but it sure
> > > ain't Science speaking.
> > 
> > It's courtesy a "mathematical universe hypothesis",
> > then that all the physical objects (eg field elements
> > are mathematical objects) as are the functions between
> > them (that are also field elements) and etcetera ad
> > infinitum that there are thusly _infinitely many_
> > physical objects in the universe courtesy reason
> > and definition.
> > 
> > So, this is under science, in reasoning, with that the
> > objects in the universe, have that there are infinitely
> > many different ones in all the diverse combinations and
> > all theirs ad infinitum.
> > 
> > That follows from the definition of a universe and
> > unboundedly many things in it:   there are infinitely
> > many things in it.  There isn't an upper bound on
> > any upper bound.  This is also true or we'd all be in
> > the same reference frame, and all one thing.
> > 
> > Then, it's the philosophical/theoretical that the
> > Continuum is infinite, then that simple principles
> > of reserve so define the laws of the mathematical
> > universe then for the physical universe (then that
> > estimated or predicted results are to be rejected
> > or not in hypothesis testing, in the scientific
> > method).
> > 
> > You're right in that scientists are only allowed
> > and allowing science, including correct experimental
> > design and etcetera.
> > 
> > To then actually _prove_ the nature of the Universe
> > or its features would necessarily follow from a
> > consistent, complete, and complete purely mathematically
> > logical theory that then is also scientific, or a
> > Real Theory of Everything.  (I call this A-Theory and
> > the Null Axiom Theory, it is an axiomless system of
> > natural deduction, and follows from simple logical
> > principles of constancy and variety, and diversity in
> > variety, and uniformity in diversity, for a Continuum.)
> > 
> > Then features as of this "Continuum Infinitesimal
> > Analysis" is in the mathematical part for real
> > analysis, somewhat above the total underpinnings
> > of all theory.  (Also it's shown that it so results.)
> > 
> > It's OK for science to have the universe having
> > infinitely many things in it and to be infinite,
> > as it is unbounded (else there wouldn't be a "we").
> 
> 
> so, what is the age of this infinite universe of we?

Isn't a current estimate 13.6 billion years?

If it has a beginning, time's a ray, 
if it's forever, time's a line.

Somehow it's both Steady State and Big Bang 
as original!

Basically the age result follows from there 
being an origin or birth of the Universe, 
the estimate of all the matter/energy and 
how long it would take to so disperse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

You figure G-d would keep it simple as He 
could, and let the numbers sort it out, 
for utter constancy in all variety.

Here that's not an appeal instead rather 
that via reason, the most simple thing it 
could be is what it is, and we're not 
humble enough to say that it could be 
anything else.

May G-d have mercy on our souls and strike 
down the wicked.  (Temples fingers.)  Yes, 
strike down the wicked.  G-d would only 
have enough time to field prayers if he 
was already done building the universe.

We're scientists, theism does not necessarily 
enter into any fact, thank you, and, I don't 
know you from Abraham.

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Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 06:07 -0800
  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 11:42 -0600
    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 11:44 -0800
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:57 -0600
        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 15:02 -0800
          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 17:14 -0600
            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 15:55 -0800
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-04 19:26 -0800
        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 19:47 -0800
          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-05 15:33 -0800
            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 17:44 -0600
            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 16:04 -0800
              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 19:42 -0800

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