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Re: gcc_centric C code

Subject Re: gcc_centric C code
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From bartc <bc@freeuk.com>
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Date 2018-04-28 11:24 +0100

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On 27/04/2018 00:23, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 5:52:45 PM UTC-5, jacobnavia wrote:
>> Using Microsoft system is problematic, as you see, you can't do that on
>> windows.
> 
> I don't think Windows is unique.  Really, the problem is that a lot of
> programs aren't really written in C--they're written in Unix's combination
> of C, scripts, etc.

This is the point that I often try and get across but have consistently 
failed. A project purportedly written in C may have very heavy 
dependencies on:

   C macro language and other preprocessor stuff
   C compiler options
   Makefile syntax
   Bash scripts
   M4 (which I keep seeing)
   A dozen other Unix utilities and commands using /their/ syntax

The pure C code is almost incidental. My C projects have been at least 
99% pure C and required only a C compiler and linker.

(That the application may itself use OS-specific features is a separate 
level of dependency with different solutions, if the app is intended to 
be cross-platform.)


> If a command-line application doesn't do anything not supported by the
> Standard library, why shouldn't it be written to "just work" on pretty
> much any machine that supports 8/16/32/64-bit numeric types, rather than
> only on Unix machines?

All of the bigger programs I'm active with at the moment are effectively 
command-line language tools (Three compilers, one assembler/linker, one 
interpreter.)

OS-neutral versions of those are possible, with some loss of 
functionality, but otherwise the minor differences between Windows and 
Linux, perhaps 3% of all the source code are sequestered into a single 
module. Either the Windows or Linux module is plugged in to the rest of 
the app.

And, funnily enough, pretty much all open source "C" projects I've tried 
to build are very similar. Except that they feel the need to have these 
horrendous Unix-centric build systems (considerably worse than being 
merely gcc-centric).

(And just as bad as Unix build systems is when they provide separate 
Windows solutions based on Visual Studio, which rarely if ever work.)

-- 
bartc

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gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-25 16:21 +0100
  gcc_centric C code Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 08:34 -0700
  Re: gcc_centric C code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-04-25 16:41 +0100
    Re: gcc_centric C code Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 16:19 +0000
      Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-25 18:02 +0100
        Re: gcc_centric C code Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2018-04-25 17:15 +0000
          Re: gcc_centric C code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-25 12:33 -0500
          Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-25 20:51 +0100
            Re: gcc_centric C code supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-25 13:01 -0700
              Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-25 21:21 +0100
            Re: gcc_centric C code jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2018-04-25 13:45 -0700
        Re: gcc_centric C code Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 17:20 +0000
      Re: gcc_centric C code supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-25 10:30 -0700
        Re: gcc_centric C code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-25 12:35 -0500
          Re: gcc_centric C code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-25 10:54 -0700
            Re: gcc_centric C code Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-25 20:27 +0200
              Re: gcc_centric C code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-25 12:38 -0700
              Re: gcc_centric C code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-25 19:53 -0500
                Re: gcc_centric C code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-25 18:13 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2018-04-26 15:16 +0000
                Re: gcc_centric C code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-04-27 08:17 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-26 08:03 +0200
                Re: gcc_centric C code Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2018-04-26 14:30 +0000
                Re: gcc_centric C code jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2018-04-26 08:26 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-26 19:04 +0200
                Re: gcc_centric C code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 07:48 +1200
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 21:08 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 08:18 +1200
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 21:44 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 09:01 +1200
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 23:16 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 10:27 +1200
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 23:48 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 20:41 +1200
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-27 11:51 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 07:32 +1200
                Re: gcc_centric C code Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 04:34 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 23:05 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-04-27 00:52 +0200
                Re: gcc_centric C code supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-26 16:23 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-28 11:24 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-28 01:42 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-04-26 21:40 +0000
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 23:34 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-26 14:13 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-26 14:16 -0700
            Re: gcc_centric C code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-04-27 08:08 -0700
              Re: gcc_centric C code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-27 09:11 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-27 09:26 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-04-27 09:49 -0700
          Re: gcc_centric C code supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-25 12:31 -0700
            Re: gcc_centric C code Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2018-04-25 20:13 +0000
              Re: gcc_centric C code supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-25 13:50 -0700
        Re: gcc_centric C code Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2018-04-25 18:02 +0000
      Re: gcc_centric C code Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 22:39 -0700
    Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-25 18:36 +0100
      Re: gcc_centric C code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-04-25 23:15 +0100
        Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 02:02 +0100
          Re: gcc_centric C code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-25 18:28 -0700
          Re: gcc_centric C code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-04-26 11:45 +0100
            Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 14:53 +0100
              Re: gcc_centric C code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-04-26 23:38 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-27 00:31 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-04-27 00:47 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-27 02:28 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 03:44 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-03 13:57 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 11:02 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 11:07 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 11:13 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-03 19:50 +0100
                Re: gcc_centric C code Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 13:37 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 13:44 -0700
                Re: gcc_centric C code Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 10:25 -0700
            Re: gcc_centric C code Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 07:01 -0700
          Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-04-26 14:51 +0200
            Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-04-26 07:09 -0700
              Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-04-26 17:05 +0000
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 18:38 +0100
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way 1alvinalbrecht1@gmail.com - 2018-04-26 11:34 -0700
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 21:36 +0100
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way C W Rose <cwr@seckford.org> - 2018-04-27 19:23 +0100
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-28 14:34 +0100
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 10:32 -0700
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-30 10:16 -0700
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-30 19:41 +0100
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-30 12:11 -0700
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-30 19:14 +0000
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-30 19:12 +0000
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-30 21:19 +0100
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 19:23 -0700
                Re: Clearly everyone else likes to do things the hard way Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-26 19:45 +0200
      Re: gcc_centric C code luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:56 -0700
        Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 11:06 +0100
          Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 11:27 +0100
      Re: gcc_centric C code antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2018-04-26 17:00 +0000
  Re: gcc_centric C code Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 09:26 -0700
  Re: gcc_centric C code Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-04-26 12:39 +0000
    Re: gcc_centric C code gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-04-26 13:09 +0000
  Re: gcc_centric C code Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-04-26 13:26 +0200
    Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-26 18:03 +0100
    Re: gcc_centric C code Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 14:32 -0700
  Re: gcc_centric C code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-04-27 09:41 -0700
    Re: gcc_centric C code bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-27 19:37 +0100

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