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| From | Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> |
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| References | (2 earlier) <op.x3nm91kntm21m2@benson.localhost> <912488b37266b47a0fa782f0f8a9d45f@dizum.com> <jc-57CB3A.01401522082015@news.albasani.net> <200aed7b549c50619663f0f91a7a1aca@dizum.com> <jc-3AA8BB.12552723082015@news.albasani.net> |
| Subject | Re: New method could improve atmospheric forecasts over months, decades, and could explain 'pause' in global warming |
| Message-ID | <29942ec80e73751d26646ffa7c295956@dizum.com> (permalink) |
| Date | 2015-08-24 01:59 +0200 |
| Newsgroups | alt.astronomy, alt.conspiracy |
| Organization | dizum.com - The Internet Problem Provider |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker> Jed Clampett, in <news:jc-3AA8BB.12552723082015@news.albasani.net> did thusly jump head first into the wood chipper again: > In article <200aed7b549c50619663f0f91a7a1aca@dizum.com>, > Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus > <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> wrote: >> Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker> >> >> Jed Clampett, in >> <news:jc-57CB3A.01401522082015@news.albasani.net> did thusly jump >> head first into the wood chipper again: >>> In article <912488b37266b47a0fa782f0f8a9d45f@dizum.com>, >>> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus >>> <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> wrote: >>>> Solar output in the Ordovician was very nearly what it is today >>>> (0.991 Ordovician, 1 today), yet CO2 concentrations in the >>>> Ordovician were at least 5 times higher than today. And yet the >>>> Ordovician slipped into an ice age that lasted ~1,000,000 years. >>>> >>>> If, as you libtard Klimate Katastrophe Kooks k'lame, CO2 is a >>>> driver of temperature change, given that CO2 levels are at least >>>> 5 times lower today, why aren't we in a perpetual ice age? >>> Planet Earth is in an ice age with no end in sight. >> Technically, we're still coming out of the tail end of the >> Quaternary ice age. We're still considered to be in the Holocene >> epoch interglacial, though. > Technically, we are not exiting the Quaternary ice age. I'll rephrase... technically, we're still in the tail end of the Quaternary ice age. Given that the names and dates of glacial and interglacial periods are human constructs, it remains to be seen whether the nascent cold trend (which started approximately 17 years ago and is contemporaneously known as the "global warming" pause; is accelerating; and according to tilt and precessional indexes and solar output trend predictions, should trend downward for ~10,000 years, before we settle into an ~60,000 year deep freeze) is considered a new ice age, or a continuation of the Quaternary. <http://www.oarval.org/Abdussamatov-25Nov2013-Image1av.gif> Figure 1. Variations of both the TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) and solar activity in 1978-2013 and prognoses of these variations to cycles 24-27 until 2045. The arrow indicates the beginning of the new Little Ice Age epoch after the maximum of cycle 24. >>> 45 million year old Antarctic ice sheet. >> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18949-the-history-of-ice-on-earth/ > You are quoting an article that repeatedly asserts > atmospheric CO2 levels to be the driving force of planetary > temperature. Yes, I know. The timing is correct, the attribution of effect is not. > Some of their claims are probably facts, but not that one. Also > that article contradicts your claim that "we're still coming out > of the tail end of the Quaternary ice age" > > I think that ice ages are ultimately a result of continental > plate movements interfering with oceanic mixing. If oceans > are free to move heat from pole to pole then there is no > ice age. >From equator to poles, you mean. That is a secondary effect, as is heat transfer via air. The closing of the Central American Seaway and the rise of the Himalayas means we're stuck with ice even with a warm climate. Solar and orbital forcing dictating the W/m^2 sunlight reaching the surface (as well as albedo reflecting that sunlight) is the big deciding factor in whether a glacial or interglacial period is in effect. The increased albedo of the ice we've got lowers the overall W/m^2 for the entire earth. Which means the next glaciation period is gonna be a right bitch, since we've already got a head start on it with the ice we've already got. >> ================================================== >> Antarctica freezes over >> 14 million years ago >> >> Antarctica wasn't always a frozen wasteland. It wasn't until >> around 34 million years ago that the first small glaciers formed >> on the tops of Antarctica's mountains. And it was 20 million >> years later, when world-wide temperatures dropped by 8 degrees C, >> that the glaciers' ice froze onto the rock, and the southern ice >> sheet was born. >> >> The northern hemisphere remained relatively ice-free for longer, >> with Greenland and the Arctic becoming heavily glaciated only >> around 3.2 million years ago. >> ================================================== > Yes, the ice sheet formed more like 14 mya. > Sea ice rafting dates back further and I mistook that. >>> 18 million year old Greenland ice sheet. >> I again quote from above: >> "The northern hemisphere remained relatively ice-free for longer, >> with Greenland and the Arctic becoming heavily glaciated only >> around 3.2 million years ago." > "Heavily glaciated". The ice sheet or instances of them > date back further. They were much the same as Antarctica... isolated small glaciers which agglomerated into massive ice sheets over time as the Isthmus of Panama filled in over ~10.5 my, with a rapid acceleration of ice building since ~4.5 mya. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet >> "The ice in the current ice sheet is as old as 110,000 years.[3]" > Yes. That does not mean the ice sheet is 110,000 years old. True. That age is merely indicative of the residence time of the ice within the glacier as it plastic-flows toward the perimeter and calves. Which puts truth to the lies of the libtard Klimate Katastrophe Kooks when they say the Greenland glacier will melt in a few decades or even centuries. That glacier has withstood far warmer periods than now, and it's still there. Except it's not melting at all... it *added* 500 gT of ice in 2014... so the Klimate Katastrophe Kook blather about "zOMG! The Greenland glacier had 56 gT of melt last year!" is out-of-context alarmist propaganda... they counted only that which melted, not that which was added. Balancing the equation (something the libtards never seem able to do), there was a total 556 gT of ice added, a total of 56 gT of melt, for a grand total of 500 gT net accumulation of ice to the Greenland glacier in 2014. <http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/> Antarctica is also growing... <http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2015/01/december-ends/> ========================= By sharp contrast, sea ice in Antarctica was at satellite-era record high daily levels for much of 2014. On September 22, 2014, Antarctic ice extent reached 20.11 million square kilometers (7.76 million square miles). This was the first year in the modern satellite record that Antarctic ice extent climbed above 20 million square kilometers (7.72 million square miles). ========================= The only reason the Arctic glacier isn't growing is because of the protracted primarily positive-phase Arctic Oscillation throughout 2012-2015, which also partially explains why the western US is so dry right now... storms are pushed north. <http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/month_ao_index.shtml> <http://nsidc.org/icelights/2012/02/02/the-arctic-oscillation-winter-storms-and-sea-ice/> "When the Arctic Oscillation is in its negative mode, the winds and ice tend to flow in a clockwise direction, generally keeping more of the older, thicker ice in the middle of the Arctic. In the positive phase, that old ice tends to get pushed out of the Arctic along the Greenland coast." For a comparison, look at the massively negative AO starting near the end of 1968 and ending in 1970... <http://www.nws.noaa.gov/os/assessments/pdfs/Snow%201969.pdf> "A resume of the heavy snowfall and persistent cold of the winter of 1968-1969 in the upper midwest and the flood situation resulting therefrom" And 2009-2010: <http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-york-cold-snap-rival-horrible-winters-1970s-article-1.460241> >> [3] Meese, DA, AJ Gow, RB Alley, GA Zielinski, PM Grootes, M Ram, >> KC Taylor, PA Mayewski, JF Bolzan (1997) The Greenland Ice Sheet >> Project 2 depth-age scale: Methods and results. Journal of >> Geophysical Research. C. Oceans. 102(C12):26,411-26,423. >>> 3 million year old Isthmus of Panama. >> The Isthmus of Panama is a landmass, not a glacier. > Nobody said otherwise. >> It has a >> tropical climate. The Central American Seaway was raised above >> sea level by the Coco Plate sliding under the Caribbean Plate, >> forming the Isthmus of Panama 12 to 15 million years ago via the >> creation of islands via volcanic activity. Sedimentation >> completed the isthmus approximately 4.5 million years ago. >> >> The formation of the isthmus and subsequent altering of ocean >> currents is believed to have initiated the formation of the >> Arctic ice cap. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isthmus_of_Panama >>> 2.5 million year old Quaternary ice age. >> Yes, technically we are still in an ice age, given that we still >> have glaciers. But we are in the Holocene epoch interglacial, >> which began approximately 10,000 to 15,000 years ago. > Yes, I know. >> You'll note the following... despite the Klimate Katastrophe >> Kooks screaming about "anthropogenic globular warmings DURRRH!", >> the study of deep-sea cores and the fossils contained in them >> indicate that the fluctuation of climate during the last few >> hundred thousand years is remarkably close to that predicted by >> Milankovitch... IOW, it's just as I said, solar and orbital >> forcing causes climate change as it has for every glaciation and >> interglacial period throughout the planet's history. Humans >> contribute almost nothing in comparison to that giant fusion >> furnace in the sky. >> >> CO2 is a negatively correlated feedback mechanism of the >> Milankovitch cycle, not a driver of climate change. It's been >> proven that CO2 lags temperature change by 600 - 1000 years, and >> that CO2 causes *cooling* due to more efficient re-radiation of >> heat back out to space in the infrared, on the dark side of the >> planet. The net effect of an increase in CO2 would be larger >> temperature drops on the dark side of the planet, the same as is >> seen on Mars due to its high CO2 concentration. >>> Followup-To set. Apologies. >> F-Ups foiled. No apologies. >> <snicker> I have no idea how the libtard Klimate Katastrophe Kooks can continue in their climate denial of an impending ice age... glaciers adding land and sea ice at record levels, melt seasons shortening, sunlight W/m^2 falling (even the latest solar maximum was named a mini-max, the weakest solar maximum since the Little Ice Age, and TSI has continued falling since the sun's poles flipped in 2013), global temperatures trending downward according to NASA, UAH, RSS and UK Met, and even the Klimate Katastrophe Kooks discussing the impending ice age: =============================================================== Taken from the hacked ClimateGate 1.0 and ClimateGate 2.0 emails: <http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2012/01/email-4141-glimpse-into-climate-science.html> "I think the notion of telling the public to prepare for both global warming and an ice age at the same time creates a real public relations problem for us." - Asher Minns, "climate scientist" from scandal-rocked University of East Anglia, letting the cat completely out of the bag. =============================================================== But isn't it ironic that the libtard Klimate Katastrophe Kooks are beginning to become known as the climate deniers? <snicker> -- Kensi snipped out any evidence that proved her wrong then demanded that evidence again and again, only to snip it out again; she denied having written what she clearly wrote (after she snipped it out, of course); she k'lamed that I'd written things I clearly didn't (and she failed to back up her k'lames with proof); she stated that zoanthropy and transexualism aren't mental illnesses (they are listed in the DSM); that the psychiatric community is incorrect for listing them as such by taking an example from nearly 100 years ago (hysteria), long before modern psychiatry got a grasp on what exactly constitutes a mental illness; she stated that the CDC is promulgating "FUD" that's "been debunked in thousands of places" (yet provided no proof of this k'lamed "debunking"); she's been cornered into admitting her belief that gays have suffered "no harm" in living a lifestyle that's given 19% of them AIDS, causes the gay community to account for 63% of new AIDS cases per year (per the CDC) and kills thousands of them per year; she stated that liberalism is growing when it's actually in decline (and stated that conservatism is dying when it's actually growing and has a nearly 2:1 advantage over liberalism), and she had the audacity to try to use the same exact study from Gallup that I'd used to prove her wrong in the first place (proving she's kooking out so badly she's lost her reading comprehension abilities); she stated the Antarctic ice sheets are shrinking faster than ever when they're growing (to the tune of 49 Gt/yr, when considering that land ice is slowly growing and sea ice is rapidly expanding, per Nasa's ICESat); she stated that global temperature is rising when it's been falling for more than a decade per the UK Met and NASA, and accounting for the revelations that US climate researchers outright falsified the data to give the impression that a 90 year cooling trend was actually a warming trend; she k'lamed CO2 as the driver for global temperature change, then quoted a web page that says the exact opposite (the same web page, BTW, that I'd used to prove that CO2 lags temperature change, proving yet again her loss of reading comprehension)... then she *admitted* CO2 lags global temperature change, thereby being forced to agree with me (and reality); she then k'lamed CO2 as the driver for global temperature change *again*, but as yet has been unable to explain, given that CO2 levels were 5 times higher in the Ordovician and sun output was nearly the same (0.991 Ordovician, 1 today), why we're not in a perpetual ice age today; she presented examples of mass-shooting suspects that she k'lamed were conservative (but they turned out to be liberal, socialist or were the result of a liberal upbringing); she tried to state that Nazism was a conservative political party (it's a form of liberal fascism that takes many of its tenets directly from socialism); she failed to provide any proof of some of her kooky contentions while k'laming them as "proof"; she used a flawed and biased dating website poll and k'lamed that it trumped an actual scientific study (ironic, given that she's a scientist herself); she melted down so badly she lost her ability to do simple math; she attempted to k'lame Abraham Lincoln was a liberal (he admitted he was a conservative); she attempted to k'lame that every major civil rights advancement was solely due to liberals (when it was conservatives who've advanced the overwhelming majority of civil rights bills, to the strident opposition of the liberals), she k'lamed she knows who I am due to her "kookology experience", "profound psychological insight" and "cryptanalysis skills", yet she's thus far run from five challenges to out me, for 395 days and counting (ie: she doesn't dare provide any of her so-called "proof", for fear that she outs the fact that she's kooking out and seeing me everywhere), and her loss of reading comprehension skills resulted in her apparent loss of being able to determine chronology. As the level of spankage she was receiving escalated, the time between her posts grew, and the length of her posts grew shorter as she snipped out more and more evidence that she's a delusional kook... she's been beating a strategic retreat for months now.... when she's not attention-whoring for all the boys because her make-believe husband isn't paying enough attention to her fat, ugly, delusional ass anymore. LOL
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