Re: Read binary file

From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.javascript
Subject	Re: Read binary file
Date	2016-03-18 17:22 +0100
Organization	PointedEars Software (PES)
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Stefan Weiss wrote:

> Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
>> On 17.03.2016 21:43, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Stefan Weiss wrote:
>>>> So, now that the copyright situation has been explained, what's the
>>>> trivial solution?
>>> Transparent HTTP proxying with mod_rewrite, mod_proxy, mod_proxy_http &
>> That's neither a trivial solution nor a solution at all.
> 
> Right, that doesn't really solve the problem. It makes server B fetch
> the image from server A, which is what you wanted to avoid in the first
> place.

Wishful thinking.  He did _not_ say that.  He said:

| Because of copyright I can't just copy the picture, modify it and
| store it on server B. […]

> Proxying (or even caching) foreign content works,

Proxying is different from copying, and from caching.

> but it also changes the setup

A change of setup is required in any case.

> And no, I wouldn't see that as a "trivial" solution either.

Argument from ignorance.  As I said, in the best case it is basically one 
line that needs to be added to an .htaccess file:

<https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/rewrite/flags.html#flag_p>

(Usually you would not want to forward all requests, so you would also 
prepend a RewriteCond.)

> and possibly the legal situation.

Yes, it could.

> I'm not a lawyer, so I can't comment on how this would affect your
> project.

I am not a lawyer either, and not only have I said so, I have also not 
implied anything about the legal situation with this solution yet.  However, 
since transparent proxying of *all* resources is standard practice (several 
ISPs do it in order to increase the quality of service they render to their 
customers), I find it difficult to believe that this solution, with this 
use-case, could constitute a copyright violation.

>>>>> There is no javascript.
>>>> ???????????
>>> See the reference to the “ES Matrix” in my signature.
>> 
>> <html><head><title>jpg</title>
>> <script type="text/javascript">
> [...]
>> It is declared as javascript and therefore it is by definition
>> javascript. Whether it is processed by a javascript, JavaScript or a
>> ECMAScript interpreter doesn't matter, by definition the code itself is
>> javascript code.
> 
> Please just ignore the "there is no javascript" comment.

… so that your silence of not-knowing is not disturbed.  Bad advice.

> Thomas Lahn has a stick up his ass about the spelling of JavaScript;
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is _not_ what this is about.  Not only have I explicitly written that 
numerous times, but also you *know* it (how many times have I told you this 
now?  Because I lost count).  Continuing to spread such misinformation marks 
you as a troll.

> this has caused endless flames

_Not_ started or continued by *me*.  You are confusing cause and effect 
here.  It is the failure of the people who fail to come up with sound 
arguments, and attack the person instead of the issue (which at the least 
from now on includes you, see the marking above), that cause flamewars to 
ensue.  People like *you* are the cause of the noise.  *I* have done my 
homework a long time ago, and I am continuing to do it; they (which includes 
you) are not even willing *to look* at the detailed evidence that I 
present(ed).

> and debates over the years

And that is a *Good* Thing.  It is what is *supposed to happen here*, in 
this Usenet *discussion* group.  Common misconceptions of the “javascript” 
sort *need* to be discussed and clarified if we should have any hope at 
gaining true knowledge.  If necessary, those discussions need to take place 
over and over again until *someone* finally gets the point of the argument 
and spreads the word (it is acceptable for me to say that a few people 
already have).  You, on the other hand, are obviously light-years away from 
understanding the misconception that you have acquired there; you are still, 
even after so many years, in that regard a blind man.  That in itself would 
not be a major problem, but you profess to teach novices, with which you 
become a blind leading the blind.  Herbert should be aware of who he puts 
his trust in, lest it not be misdirected and misused.

> (see <https://goo.gl/W4CQaX> if you're feeling masochistic).

… or less foolish than you.

> The less attention we pay to it, the better.

Wrong.  Ignoring or killing the messenger, continuing to live in blissful 
ignorance, does not make the message and the problem reported in it go away.
The less attention is paid to the inherent differences between ECMAScript 
implementations, and between those programming languages and the 
implementations of language-independent APIs (like the DOM) – which is what 
this is *actually* all about –, the less compatible and the more error-prone 
programs written in those programming languages are going to be.  The record 
shows.

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Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-16 23:20 +0100
  Re: Read binary file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-17 01:04 +0100
    Re: Read binary file Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 02:34 +0100
      Re: Read binary file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-17 07:56 +0100
    Re: Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-17 08:31 +0100
      Re: Read binary file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-17 19:10 +0100
        Re: Read binary file Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 19:59 +0100
          Re: Read binary file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-17 21:43 +0100
            Re: Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-17 22:36 +0100
              Re: Read binary file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-17 23:15 +0100
              Re: Read binary file Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 00:43 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-18 17:22 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-18 21:14 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Matthias Wiehl <mw@kwarg.de> - 2016-03-19 00:02 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-19 08:48 +0100
                There is no javascript (was: Read binary file) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-19 13:02 +0100
                Re: There is no javascript (was: Read binary file) Mark - <nonemail@spamspamapam.net> - 2016-03-19 14:33 +0000
                Re: There is no javascript (was: Read binary file) Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-03-20 14:30 +1100
                Re: There is no javascript (was: Read binary file) Mark - <nonemail@spamspamapam.net> - 2016-03-20 13:07 +0000
                Re: There is no javascript (was: Read binary file) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-03-20 10:39 +0000
                Re: There is no javascript (was: Read binary file) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-03-20 11:19 +0000
                Re: There is no javascript (was: Read binary file) Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> - 2016-03-21 17:06 +0000
                Re: Read binary file Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 17:18 -0700
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-23 10:12 +0100
                Re: Read binary file John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-03-23 16:27 +0000
                Re: Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-24 10:41 +0100
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-24 11:14 +0100
                Re: Read binary file John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-03-24 11:41 +0000
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-24 13:36 +0100
                Re: Read binary file John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-03-25 10:07 +0000
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-25 11:28 +0100
                Re: Read binary file "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2016-03-24 11:31 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-24 12:34 +0100
                Re: Read binary file "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2016-03-24 17:15 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-24 11:33 +0000
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-24 11:05 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 20:16 -0700
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-24 10:36 +0100
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-24 11:18 +0100
                Re: Read binary file Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 10:22 -0700
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-28 00:18 +0200
                Re: Read binary file Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 05:35 -0700
                Re: Read binary file "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-29 00:53 +0200
  Re: Read binary file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-17 02:23 +0100
  Re: Read binary file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2016-03-17 08:42 +0100
  Re: Read binary file Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-03-20 22:03 +0000

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