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Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate?

From Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate?
Date 2026-08-12 11:24 +0100
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 Ar an dara lá déag de mí Lúnasa, scríobh Peter Moylan: 

 > [...] I once had a similar case when grading a student essay. Mostly it was
 > well written, but there was a strange sentence in the middle that made no
 > sense. Not a typo, not sloppy writing, but a weird sentence structure that
 > didn't say anything sensible.
 > 
 > After a bit of searching I found a library book with two pages stuck
 > together.

!!

I haven’t ever had any desire to cheat in academic work, but it did occur to me
that, if you’re comfortable in multiple languages, an approach that would be
difficult to detect automatically would be to translate relevant source
material in a language that is not that of the assessment and plagiarise that
way. Automated translation is good enough for the major languages these days
that even doing it that way might work.

-- 
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-10 08:16 +0200
  Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 08:02 +0100
    Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-10 10:21 +0200
    Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-10 21:32 +0100
      Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 07:00 +0100
        Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 17:45 +1000
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-11 15:19 +0000
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-11 20:46 +0100
            Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 16:40 -0400
            Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-12 06:15 +0100
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-12 15:26 +1000
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-12 09:49 +0200
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-12 09:57 +0200
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-12 15:25 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-12 20:38 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-12 22:28 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-13 01:02 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-13 08:37 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-13 10:39 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-13 21:05 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-13 11:54 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-13 14:26 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:11 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-13 21:58 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-14 08:22 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-14 11:53 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-14 21:26 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-14 20:48 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-13 22:40 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 09:56 -0700
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 10:16 -0700
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-13 21:06 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-13 19:14 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-14 08:02 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-14 15:05 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 09:30 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 19:56 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 10:17 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 07:42 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-15 05:31 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 20:36 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 16:45 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 17:27 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 22:22 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 20:20 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 09:11 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-16 08:37 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-16 10:15 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-16 10:55 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:03 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 20:52 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 11:43 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-15 01:59 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 22:08 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-17 11:51 -0400
                Woke, wokest? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 07:38 +0200
                Re: Woke, wokest? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 12:18 +0200
                Re: Woke, wokest? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 20:44 +0200
                Re: Woke, wokest? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 20:20 +0100
                Re: Woke, wokest? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 09:18 +1000
                Re: Woke, wokest? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-16 08:04 +0200
                Re: Woke, wokest? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-16 09:25 +0200
                Re: Woke, wokest? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-16 09:32 +0100
                Re: Woke, wokest? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 22:29 +0100
                Re: Woke, wokest? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-16 11:22 +0200
                Re: Woke, wokest? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 20:54 +1000
                Re: Woke, wokest? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-17 07:50 +0200
                Re: Woke, wokest? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-17 21:36 +0100
                Re: Woke, wokest? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-17 22:38 +0000
                Re: Woke, wokest? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-16 13:00 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-14 08:33 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 07:32 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-14 09:09 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-14 12:00 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-14 21:13 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-14 13:35 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:14 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:31 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-14 17:48 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-14 19:07 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-13 22:40 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-13 20:31 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-13 19:55 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 19:53 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 20:48 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 22:31 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-16 06:02 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 09:27 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-13 22:02 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 14:25 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-14 15:30 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 10:00 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 15:49 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 11:09 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-14 16:50 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 10:38 -0700
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-14 19:48 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 19:54 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 09:42 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 07:38 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 16:37 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 10:30 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 09:46 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 09:47 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 16:48 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 09:37 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-16 08:16 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-16 08:36 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-16 10:17 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:17 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-16 14:02 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-16 12:11 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 20:59 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 21:04 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-16 18:05 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-17 08:28 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-17 10:54 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-16 19:21 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-16 21:10 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-16 21:05 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 22:36 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 20:39 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-15 13:25 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 10:52 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 11:12 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-14 15:45 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 13:24 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-14 17:36 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-14 18:47 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 15:03 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 15:44 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 07:47 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 16:40 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 10:36 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 20:44 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 16:53 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 10:00 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 02:24 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 21:49 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 07:53 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-15 06:41 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-15 07:57 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 10:13 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 16:59 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-15 05:41 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-15 11:22 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 19:35 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 12:07 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 13:29 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 11:35 -0700
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 14:59 -0400
                Cycle Helmets (was: Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 19:46 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 15:46 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 10:16 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-15 10:46 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 10:41 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-15 19:29 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:33 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 22:52 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 17:05 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-15 17:15 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-15 20:31 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 21:37 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-15 19:38 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 21:18 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-15 22:45 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 22:11 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-16 08:59 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-16 10:38 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-16 12:11 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-14 21:05 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 20:04 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 10:42 -0700
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-14 21:01 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 16:13 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 16:26 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 16:24 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-15 06:59 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 22:59 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-08-16 00:18 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 07:59 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 09:39 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 19:44 -0700
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 10:27 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 09:55 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 21:42 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 12:28 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 23:03 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-15 10:51 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 20:59 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 13:02 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-15 20:32 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-13 23:03 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-14 08:43 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-14 13:04 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 13:06 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 13:59 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 17:25 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 15:46 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-15 16:54 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 19:53 +0200
                There was a crroked man and he stole a crooked straight Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-16 06:14 +0200
                Re: There was a crroked man and he stole a crooked straight Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-16 21:14 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-15 21:28 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 23:10 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-16 03:17 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-08-16 18:42 +1200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-17 04:10 -0300
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-17 10:54 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-18 08:51 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-18 11:56 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 10:48 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-18 19:28 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-18 23:15 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-19 18:49 -0300
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 17:56 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-20 02:36 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 21:48 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-20 09:57 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-20 11:34 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-15 17:15 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 10:20 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-18 11:56 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-16 09:41 +0200
                North and South Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 20:35 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-16 09:41 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-15 16:54 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 20:37 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 23:14 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 10:30 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-16 03:20 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-15 20:47 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-16 06:19 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-16 21:21 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-17 07:48 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-17 21:39 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-18 04:28 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-18 14:12 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-16 09:41 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 14:19 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-14 18:10 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-14 13:30 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 10:07 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 13:32 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 21:41 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-14 21:10 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 19:46 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 22:01 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-16 06:48 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-13 22:40 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-14 12:17 +0530
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-14 12:04 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-14 13:55 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-14 13:04 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-14 21:19 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-14 15:25 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-14 21:15 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 16:30 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 10:05 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 08:08 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-14 23:24 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 10:12 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 12:54 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 21:06 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 13:08 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 17:20 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 14:16 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-15 15:15 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 21:29 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-15 23:26 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 10:54 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-16 03:22 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-15 19:56 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 18:43 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-16 09:00 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 18:55 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-16 09:07 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 10:42 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 15:29 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 21:26 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-16 09:17 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-15 20:09 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-16 11:25 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-15 10:01 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-15 08:14 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-08-15 05:28 -0400
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 14:24 -0400
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-12 22:26 +0100
  Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-10 10:41 +0200
    Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-10 11:36 +0200
      Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-10 13:58 +0200
        Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-10 21:36 +0100
        Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 10:47 +1000
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 09:31 +0200
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 08:39 +0100
            Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 17:54 +1000
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 09:07 +0100
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-11 11:07 +0200
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-08-11 22:03 +1200
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-11 10:53 +0200
    Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-10 13:11 +0100
      Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-10 15:41 +0200
        Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 10:52 +1000
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 06:52 +0100
            Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-11 10:53 +0200
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 20:33 +1000
            Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-11 10:45 +0000
        Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-11 10:32 +0100
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-11 15:56 +0200
            Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-11 21:02 +0100
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-11 22:53 +0200
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-12 11:09 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-12 20:14 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-12 11:24 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-13 14:45 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-12 10:40 +0000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-13 15:09 +1000
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-12 14:59 +0200
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-12 22:40 +0100
                Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-12 22:38 +0100
    Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-10 14:22 +0000
      Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 16:26 +0000
      Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 11:21 +1000
  Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 11:05 +0200
    Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-10 11:48 +0200
      Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 17:30 +0200
      Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-10 21:42 +0100
        Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 11:58 +1000
          Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-11 06:02 +0200
            Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-11 09:38 +0000
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-12 21:55 +0530
              Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-08-13 07:46 +0200
  Re: Why does the Devil need an advocate? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 02:46 +0800

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