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Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux, alt.os.linux.mint, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers
Date 2015-04-27 12:44 +1200
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In article <553d7577$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-26 18:14, Jasen Betts wrote:
> > 
> > The photocopier at work uses CMYK toners. (well, the old one did, have
> > not got familiar with the new one) but colour image sensors work in RGB
> > so it's doing software conversion to CMYK.
> 
> Was surprised when I got first Epson inkjet.  The ink was very CMKY
> (although it has 5 inks), yet, the printer driver wanted RGB.

Yep. Newer versions of Adobe Acrobat and Preview can view CMYK PDFs
very well, but when you print them on ordinary desktop printers you get
a CMYK (original PDF) -> RGB (for printer driver) -> CMYK (in-printer)
conversion which can sometimes produce odd colour shifts.

Even simply exporting CMYK PDFs to RGB TIFF or JPEG images in older
versions would produce disgusting colour shifts, even though they
looked fine on-screen. To get around that I often had to resort to
using screen capture instead, usually multiple captures at a high zoom
level and then combine the images back into a single image in Photoshop
/ ColourIt.




> Thinking about it, can RGB render blacks on printed material ?  They
> woudl need RGB-K so if you are going to have 4 colours, you might as
> well do CMKY. Makes sense.

You can't print using RGB colours.

CMYK mixes (additive) the primary ink colours to create the other
colours. RGB removes primary light colours (subtractive) to create
other colours, and you can't remove ink. There's no way to get yellow,
for example, by mixing RGB inks.

Technically, you might be be able to take RGB inks along with various
chemical reaction processes to remove varying amounts of RGB ink and
make the other colours, but it would be messy and expensive (and
probably highly toxic).

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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 06:16 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 09:00 +1200
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-05 20:19 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:23 +1200
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-12 23:21 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 14:02 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 11:05 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 14:29 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 12:10 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 16:52 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 15:10 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 16:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-13 16:17 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 17:31 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 12:42 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 12:32 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 15:11 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 22:49 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:18 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 16:55 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 19:41 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-13 18:02 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 10:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 12:38 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 10:49 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-13 18:59 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 11:04 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-13 19:30 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 12:07 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 14:54 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 13:06 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 16:02 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 19:39 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:20 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 09:18 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 12:20 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:17 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 15:10 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:11 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-12 23:19 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:14 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-13 18:01 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-12 23:18 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:18 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 09:51 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 11:44 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 12:49 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-13 11:45 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 22:41 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-13 15:50 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 12:35 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-14 12:54 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 09:17 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 11:25 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 10:32 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-14 20:48 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:57 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 17:50 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 14:00 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 16:13 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 14:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 17:20 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-14 22:52 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 14:59 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 08:23 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 10:40 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 08:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 11:27 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 12:28 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 09:34 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 11:41 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 13:30 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> - 2015-05-15 23:42 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-05-16 04:11 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-16 16:15 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 21:32 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 21:52 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 22:54 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-16 18:27 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-16 00:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-16 01:17 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:40 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:03 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 15:14 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 06:29 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:35 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-16 06:39 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:01 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-16 11:31 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-05-17 07:11 +1000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 10:47 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 11:51 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:12 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 09:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 13:05 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 18:16 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 10:48 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 13:27 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 14:26 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 11:29 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 14:42 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:14 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 08:52 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:23 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 11:44 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 14:48 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 12:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:10 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 15:05 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 12:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:06 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 16:28 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:34 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 17:43 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 17:45 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 17:54 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:09 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 13:09 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 08:52 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:27 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 09:38 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 10:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 10:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 11:41 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 13:51 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 12:23 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 14:31 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 13:12 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-16 10:29 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:03 -0400
                Subject lines to not make threads Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 23:04 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 16:37 -0700
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-15 19:47 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 16:57 -0700
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-16 18:34 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:46 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-16 12:32 -0700
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-16 16:57 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-16 21:25 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-16 19:13 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-17 12:39 +1200
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-17 09:19 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-05-17 07:07 +1000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 12:36 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 13:25 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 14:33 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 15:50 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 17:37 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 17:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 17:49 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-05-17 07:23 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-17 11:34 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-18 09:36 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-15 19:45 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 17:39 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 17:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-05-16 01:01 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 13:24 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 11:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 13:56 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 12:30 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 13:01 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:08 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:07 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 08:49 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-15 14:58 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:25 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-16 04:39 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 08:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 12:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 15:58 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 16:30 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 16:12 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:21 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 12:07 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:05 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 12:50 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 08:15 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 09:23 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 08:57 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 10:56 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 14:20 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 10:59 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-14 18:33 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 19:28 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-05-13 12:51 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 11:53 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 14:13 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-14 14:06 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 17:46 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:10 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 16:33 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 17:45 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 12:12 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 12:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-14 14:10 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 14:21 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 15:15 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-14 18:30 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 22:44 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-12 10:30 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-05 14:31 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 08:13 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 09:29 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 16:57 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-05 17:24 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:34 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:35 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-06 09:16 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-05 16:38 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 10:51 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-05 10:59 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-05 14:17 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 20:27 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-05 19:18 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 09:03 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-05 23:16 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 19:02 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-06 09:14 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-05-06 07:35 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 20:32 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-04 07:54 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-05 03:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-01 06:13 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-01 10:25 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-05-02 00:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-02 15:45 +1200
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 18:19 +0200
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 14:10 -0400
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 20:19 +0200
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-25 16:41 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 23:08 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 17:25 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 22:04 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-26 00:14 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 13:11 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 09:25 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 07:36 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 10:47 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 08:00 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-04-26 15:10 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-04-26 22:39 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 18:34 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-04-27 02:39 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-26 21:39 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 21:51 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 21:51 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-26 22:01 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 22:16 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-27 17:20 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-27 13:36 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 06:54 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 10:24 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 20:05 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-26 21:57 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-27 17:18 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 06:29 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michael Baeuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2015-04-27 11:14 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 21:49 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 13:00 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 22:08 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-28 01:56 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 23:48 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-28 06:32 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:20 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-04-30 11:43 -0500
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 18:56 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 19:10 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-28 11:49 -0500
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 00:12 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 19:45 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 06:58 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-29 12:29 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 17:42 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-28 04:14 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-04-28 14:53 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-28 19:17 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-28 10:58 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-28 08:58 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 00:14 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-28 10:08 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-28 09:25 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:45 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-30 11:12 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:38 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-04-30 10:36 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-30 13:53 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-30 18:55 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-30 11:11 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-05-01 06:58 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 00:07 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-01 00:16 -0400
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-01 16:32 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-01 05:34 +0000
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-28 11:01 -0700
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-28 10:17 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-28 11:02 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-27 13:33 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 10:23 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Roger <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-27 21:01 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-27 22:05 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2015-04-27 20:50 +0000
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:50 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-30 19:06 +0200
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